No way will Joels basic be 300 or 400k. He may get up there if he cracks the England side but not a chance of that wage at the beginning just with Saracens.

I think it's safe to say Sams new deal at Wigan is worth more then Joels at Saracens. A rather big hint was dropped about that by Lenagan yesterday.

Only right as well given their respective talents.

If you include sponsorhip deals he wont be far off.

Sorry 21-12, after your maths I dont think you should be talking figures mate.

My mistake. However the point I am making is that overall Joel wont be far off earning 300k a year when you take sponsorship deals, boot deals etc into consideration.

If he makes it internationally,which I believe he will, this time next year he will be in the Gavin Henson bracket.

Dont patronise me please.

The simple fact of the matter is that Joel will be earning far, far more in RU than he would at Wigan, hence why he has left. And who can blame him.

He has to actually do something before he will get any sponsorship, boot deals etc.

Oh right, so he's playing in bare feet for his first game is he.

You do know you don't have to have a boot deal to be able to wear boots?

Joel Tomkins agent will already have a shed load of sponsorship lined up for him.

He wont have massive sponsorship deals lined up when he has never played a game in the sport. How stupid do you think people are? After a season he might get some big deals but you dont get massive deals unless you earn them first.

99.99999% of players in RU have boot deals.

You dont seriously think that Joel wont be getting a lot of, lets say "extras" as part of his signing on fee do you? Very naive.

But Coventry Warrior is right. Many players have boot deals but you don't need a boot deal to play. Despite my world class natural talent, a gift from god some said, I was never contacted by Nike or Adidas. Their loss, as my nan used to tell me.

His agent will have sorted him a boot deal as part of his "extras"

I have no doubts about that at all. Id expect to see him on the front cover of whatever national magazine union has in the next couple of months too. He should have made an appearance on Question of Sport and possibly that one on Sky by Easter too.

Was it common knowledge that Joel instigated the move to Saracens and not the other way round?