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Quote: Jukesays "Ive had another Idea!

Why don't we cut away from all this crap about Kolpac/Federation/Club trained B0ll0x and just say You can only have 3 Non GB Eligible players in your squad from next season and You must have say 10 Players from Your own Academy in your 1st team 25 squad.

I'm up for that, anyone else?

Given 2 x years we'll be at the Top of the Pile (With leeds) again and then all the rest can go and think of ways to drag us back again like they had to 14 years ago!

And remember, we were a million miles better & closer to the Aussies than we are now!'"


Certainly am.

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Quote: Jukesays "Ive had another Idea!

Why don't we cut away from all this crap about Kolpac/Federation/Club trained B0ll0x and just say You can only have 3 Non GB Eligible players in your squad from next season and You must have say 10 Players from Your own Academy in your 1st team 25 squad.

I'm up for that, anyone else?

Given 2 x years we'll be at the Top of the Pile (With leeds) again and then all the rest can go and think of ways to drag us back again like they had to 14 years ago!

And remember, we were a million miles better & closer to the Aussies than we are now!'"



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Quote: Jukesays "Ive had another Idea!

Why don't we cut away from all this crap about Kolpac/Federation/Club trained B0ll0x and just say You can only have 3 Non GB Eligible players in your squad from next season and You must have say 10 Players from Your own Academy in your 1st team 25 squad.

I'm up for that, anyone else?

Given 2 x years we'll be at the Top of the Pile (With leeds) again and then all the rest can go and think of ways to drag us back again like they had to 14 years ago!

And remember, we were a million miles better & closer to the Aussies than we are now!'"


Sounds like a good idea to me.

Saints already have 18 players from the academy in the (30man) first team squad, and only 5 non-GB eligible players - so we release Flannery and Cayless and we are there already.

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Quote: saints35 bulls0 "Sounds like a good idea to me.

Saints already have 18 players from the academy in the (30man) first team squad, and only 5 non-GB eligible players - so we release Flannery and Cayless and we are there already.'"


No Probs!

I take it you won't be going overseas then in the next 2/3 years to replace Cayless/KFC/LONG/Wellens/Gidley/Gilmour etc when they need replacing in the next couple of years then will you?

We will soon see How good you are then!

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Quote: Jukesays "And Wigan have done the same last couple of years. His point is?

They have taken a concious decision! How does he know that? Maybe their cost cutting? I remember Wigan doing a similar thing a few years back!'"


not sure what you are on about mate? i thought i had made myself perfectly clear or are you on about someone else?to be honest i dont get your point. hows the best backline in the league going for ya?

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Quote: Jukesays "Am I missing something?
Is there a Rule that states You Can't play 9 Foreign Players ??????'"


i thought there was, but clearly not.


Quote: Jukesays "How come this didn't seem to bother you when other clubs had has many if not more foreign players in their team?'"


it did, and it does - not just with Wigan

Quote: Jukesays "Are you getting on your Moralistic High Horse as you want to see the standard of English Rugby improve? If so, thanks for that but I have another suggestion, stop picking the likes of Wilking/Gardner/Maureen etc for GB that may Help!'"


I do want the GB/England team to improve, I was in Australia in November embarrased by what was on display. Wilkin and Gardner contribute a lot more to the England team than any foreign player does.

Quote: Jukesays "Please tell me how many of their own Local Backs Saints have brought through into their starting 1-7 in the last 5 years????'"


bit of a tenuos question. do you want names of every back that has come through to play first team?

there will be at least one playing in the first team tonight, how many did Wigan have last week?


I'll tell you what!

Quote: Jukesays "Ask Wellens/Gidley/Long/Cayless/Graham Maybe Roby to sit out 1/2 or 3/4 of a season like some clubs have had to do in previous seasons ie Hull?Warrington/Ourselves etc and throw in 5/6 of tese youngsters for the next 15/20 weeks and lets see how Good they are playing with Gardner/Gilmour/Flannery/Wilkin & Hargreaves Class week in week out!'"


last season we went through a large proportion of the early season half our pack missing. Fozzard, Cayless and Fa'asavalu all spent a long time sat on the sidelines, along with Sculthorpe and Bennett.

Quote: Jukesays "The truth is, Saints & Leeds have been able to promote some Youth into their set ups over the last couple of years because their clubs have had the stability and the success to enable them to do so.'"


stability brought about by what? long term thinking and investing in academy systems for one.

Quote: Jukesays "If your concern is about bringing through players to play for GB then

I asked the question earlier in the thread and never got an answer

In the "great" Wigan team of the 8 year domination, off the top of my head, most of the notable players were all bought in

I agree - from where you were, to turn it round in 3 years is a pretty good achievement, but you have to admit that it has been built on signing players (mainly foreign) rather than playing English youth.

Quote: Jukesays "What is it of any concern to you ?'"


its not massively, apart from the overall wellbeing of English RL - however, this is supposed to be a discussion forum where people with different points of view come together to discuss things - not everyone will agree with you.

Quote: Jukesays "I have said it before I will say it again, The Saints fans are becoming the total embodiment of everything they say they used to hate about Wiganers!
Know it all pompus kn0bs!'"


maybe so.

Quote: Jukesays "You don't know any better than us, you don't know more about rugby than us, You don't have better Morals regarding the future of British RL more than us.'"


again, all just differing opinions.


Quote: Jukesays "Your team is Just winning more than us at the moment!

At some point this will change, Will you be right about everything then?'"


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Quote: Jukesays "No Probs!

I take it you won't be going overseas then in the next 2/3 years to replace Cayless/KFC/LONG/Wellens/Gidley/Gilmour etc when they need replacing in the next couple of years then will you?

We will soon see How good you are then!'"


Personally, I hope we dont we go overseas to replace that lot - although I am sure we will to replace at least some of them.

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I do want the GB/England team to improve, I was in Australia in November embarrased by what was on display. Wilkin and Gardner contribute a lot more to the England team than any foreign player does.


And so was I, and 1/2 dozen knock ons apiece may be more of a contribution than a foreign player would make but it's one I could have lived without!

There cack!

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Quote: Jukesays "

And so was I, and 1/2 dozen knock ons apiece may be more of a contribution than a foreign player would make but it's one I could have lived without!

There cack!'"


but they are better than anything any other club have to offer to the England team. Perhaps if other clubs in SL were more competitive these guys would be pushed to improve more - until then they are still the best England can offer.


and you cannot deny that if more clubs had as many English players as Saints/Leeds there would be more competition for places in the team.

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Quote: saints35 bulls0 "but they are better than anything any other club have to offer to the England team. Perhaps if other clubs in SL were more competitive these guys would be pushed to improve more - until then they are still the best England can offer.

and you cannot deny that if more clubs had as many English players as Saints/Leeds there would be more competition for places in the team.'"



They may have been the best available (I'm not sure i believe that to be honest) but that doesnt make them any good!
Our SL Top try scorer was outplayed on the other wing by a bloke who's been ridiculed at Wigan for 2 1/2 years!

PS

Not got time to reply to the other stuff, Got to go!

Brickmakers here I come! icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Jukesays "They may have been the best available (I'm not sure i believe that to be honest) but that doesnt make them any good!
Our SL Top try scorer was outplayed on the other wing by a bloke who's been ridiculed at Wigan for 2 1/2 years!

PS

Not got time to reply to the other stuff, Got to go!

Brickmakers here I come!
happy to continue the discussion any time! have a safe journey to Hull.

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Quote: "]saints35 bulls0 wrote

Agreed, it should not just be upto wigan saints and leeds to produce juniors, everyone knows pryce and wilkin are the two biggest flat track bullies in super league.

The other clubs should pull their fingers out and contribute!

Who was the last international from warrington sculthorpe? They are as equal a club in size (facilities and finances) to wigan and saints.

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Quote: DaveO "Which could happen with the names mentioned in the article at Saints. That is point I was making.

Dave'"


When? When you were mentioning how we'd been built on purchases rather than youth products?

IMO there's only Clough so far that's come in recently and cemented a first team spot, the rest I agree, are still wait and see.

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I'm not Jesus Christ, I've come to accept that now. [quote][b]XBrettKennyX wrote:[/b] Once more the anti SC brigade, purposely or otherwise fail to see the point. Thick as pig swill.[/quote]:2595.jpg



Quote: Jukesays "Am I missing something?
Is there a Rule that states You Can't play 9 Foreign Players ??????

How come this didn't seem to bother you when other clubs had has many if not more foreign players in their team?

Are you getting on your Moralistic High Horse as you want to see the standard of English Rugby improve? If so, thanks for that but I have another suggestion, stop picking the likes of Wilking/Gardner/Maureen etc for GB that may Help!

Please tell me how many of their own Local Backs Saints have brought through into their starting 1-7 in the last 5 years????

I'll tell you what!

Ask Wellens/Gidley/Long/Cayless/Graham Maybe Roby to sit out 1/2 or 3/4 of a season like some clubs have had to do in previous seasons ie Hull?Warrington/Ourselves etc and throw in 5/6 of tese youngsters for the next 15/20 weeks and lets see how Good they are playing with Gardner/Gilmour/Flannery/Wilkin & Hargreaves Class week in week out!

The truth is, Saints & Leeds have been able to promote some Youth into their set ups over the last couple of years because their clubs have had the stability and the success to enable them to do so.

If your concern is about bringing through players to play for GB then

Someone hit a raw nerve icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "But can't you see my point.

Leeds will be applauded by Eddie, Stevo, Paul Wilson and the rest for bringing in another youngster. (Watkins)

However the truth is they PAID him more than his local club could. It doesn't affect the salary cap so what the hell.

Eastmond at Saints, O'Carroll at Wigan etc.


What should happen?

Wigan should have control over St. Pats, St Judes, Rose Bridge etc and provide funding for those clubs. They then should have first pick of ANY players from those clubs.

Similarly Saints should have control over Pilks, Thatto Heath, Blackbrook etc.'"


As others have said, there are too many grey areas for that to work.

However, there is nothing to stop Wigan, or nay other team for that matter, helping out local amateur clubs now. I'm sure that closer involvement with those teams would reap dividends for any club that did it. Not everyone goes for the biggest contract on offer, and sometimes good treatment previously helps someone make up their mind.

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Wigan 27 721 336 385 44
Hull KR 26 693 311 382 40
Warrington 26 684 319 365 38
Salford 27 550 547 3 32
St.Helens 26 584 370 214 30
Leigh 26 548 386 162 29
 
Leeds 26 514 462 52 28
Catalans 26 451 423 28 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
LondonB 26 317 862 -545 6
Hull FC 26 324 870 -546 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 24 892 256 636 46
Bradford 24 618 373 245 32
Toulouse 23 662 340 322 31
Sheffield 24 594 472 122 28
Widnes 24 513 433 80 27
York 25 613 439 174 26
 
Featherstone 24 566 472 94 26
Doncaster 24 470 527 -57 23
Batley 24 378 513 -135 20
Halifax 24 475 617 -142 20
Barrow 23 418 648 -230 19
Swinton 24 446 606 -160 18
Whitehaven 24 414 806 -392 16
Dewsbury 25 308 821 -513 2
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