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| IN[/fimg] Quote: thesaint71 "Fair pont but how Matty English didn't get a ban os beyond me'"
I’d like to see that one. It wasn’t in the highlights I saw (highlights probably being the wrong word for it) but read mention of it not being too clever.
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| Quote: NickyKiss "IN[/fimg]I’d like to see that one. It wasn’t in the highlights I saw (highlights probably being the wrong word for it) but read mention of it not being too clever.'"
I think you’ve mentioned before NK that you are on Twitter? What’s your name on there and I’ll send it to you if you are interested? Or PM me if you don’t want everyone knowing your Twitter name.
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| Quote: NickyKiss "He only brushes his head against him but I bet Kaide Ellis feels hard done to. The game has been getting itself in an absolute confused mess for ages and it’s getting more and more confused as the weeks go by. They’re so desperate to minimise the risk of head injuries, to the point where players have been banned for trying to help injured players to their feet but yesterday Greenwood gets whacked in the head, then collared by Knowles and then had Knowles pushing his head in to his on the floor and he gets sent off for a soft elbow. It’s little wonder everyone is absolutely stumped as to what is going on and what is acceptable.'"
The whole things a mess at the moment. When you see the Shorrocks sending off and subsequent ban and compare it to others who get nothing, it all becomes a bit of a joke. Like you say, the Ellis one was no worse in terms of impact to what happened in the final ("rutting heads" as Kendall phrased it) or what happens on the floor in this incident yet the outcomes are so, so different. I had no issue with the Ellis one but there's just no consistency. When you start to compare with similar incidents that draw little or no punishment it becomes somewhat less palatable.
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| Quote: thesaint71 "Fair pont but how Matty English didn't get a ban os beyond me'"
Mate, the Disciplinary Panel, has made a rod for its own back. On the other hand, half of the suspensions I have seen this season don’t make sense. Mind you, I would certainly like to see coaches banned for speaking derogatorily about referees in public, it has no part in the game. The appropriate channels should be used. Perhaps all these moaning coaches should be made to referee a few matches so that we can see how it should be done.
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| Lees ban is fair under the current rules.
The drama over the Knowles “punch” is actually embarrassing. The footage clearly shows there was no punch.
Greenwood is lucky to get away with a clearly deliberate elbow.
The English one however is the one that makes me angry. The RFL are so obsessed with head contact that they’re turning a blind eye to everything else. These tackles are dangerous, reckless and compete unnecessary.
I’ve played and coached the game over 30 years now and I don’t know one person who would choose the English tackle on them over the Lees one. Yet one is a 2 game ban and the other a slap on the wrist. I just don’t get it.
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| Quote: The Yellow Giraffe "Lees ban is fair under the current rules.
The drama over the Knowles “punch” is actually embarrassing. The footage clearly shows there was no punch.
Greenwood is lucky to get away with a clearly deliberate elbow.
The English one however is the one that makes me angry. The RFL are so obsessed with head contact that they’re turning a blind eye to everything else. These tackles are dangerous, reckless and compete unnecessary.
I’ve played and coached the game over 30 years now and I don’t know one person who would choose the English tackle on them over the Lees one. Yet one is a 2 game ban and the other a slap on the wrist. I just don’t get it.'"
Are there any vids of the English tackle going round ? I've only seen the pretty rubbish club video of the Lees one and it's pretty hard to make out anything from that
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| Quote: Stu M "I think you’ve mentioned before NK that you are on Twitter? What’s your name on there and I’ll send it to you if you are interested? Or PM me if you don’t want everyone knowing your Twitter name.'"
Just seen it below, so it saves you a job mate. It’s another incident that just confuses people because I’ve seen people banned for less.
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| Looks like he collides with his own man first
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| Quote: The Yellow Giraffe "Redvee have tweeted it.
That has to be a ban, good job his leg wasn't planted or you'd be fearing the worst
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| Quote: apollosghost "That has to be a ban, good job his leg wasn't planted or you'd be fearing the worst'"
Without a doubt that should have been a ban. I’d wager if injury was caused it would have been.
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| Quote: The Yellow Giraffe "Redvee have tweeted it.
How is that not a ban?!?! No attempt to wrap his arms, side impact and attacking the standing leg whilst being held in the tackle. Isn't that the text book definition of a cannonball?
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| Quote: Zig "Mate, the Disciplinary Panel, has made a rod for its own back. On the other hand, half of the suspensions I have seen this season don’t make sense. Mind you, I would certainly like to see coaches banned for speaking derogatorily about referees in public, it has no part in the game. The appropriate channels should be used. Perhaps all these moaning coaches should be made to referee a few matches so that we can see how it should be done.'"
The problem I have with Watson was that he named a player (all be it the wrong one) he should have just said he wasn"t happy with the tackle
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| Quote: thesaint71 "The problem I have with Watson was that he named a player (all be it the wrong one) he should have just said he wasn"t happy with the tackle'"
They shouldn’t be saying anything in public.
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| Quote: Zig "They shouldn’t be saying anything in public.'"
Exactly. I know some are throwing it back at Wellens over Asiata but he made those comments after the MRP had met. Watson was putting pressure on the panel before it even met. He also got the wrong player as he blamed Delaney. That for me is not right and I feel he is trying to deflect attention from yet another loss, the same way that Rowley did after the Salford game.
For all those fans sarcastically saying its a conspiracy and saying that Saints are always the victims may find that this will galvanise Saints.
After the SF loss and all the fall out from it Wellens said the players couldn't wait to play the next game. Admittedly we only just beat Leeds but we were down to the bare bones and that was a game we could easily have lost. This is creating a "them and us" mentality which we will thrive off.
Incidentally someone with way more time on their hands than me has looked into the number of charges that have led to bans and Saints are out on their own as the leaders so the stats back up that we have been punished more severely whether people feel thats warranted or not.
I do feel that we have cleaned up our discipline of late as there were times when we were getting it badly wrong.
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