I always thought you weren't supposed to promote the ball carrying arm like that? That sentence sounds like terrible English for some reason. Admittedly I've only been watching league 3-4 years so there's still some things I'm unclear on, I could be completely wrong. I'll be surprised if Sam doesn't get 1 match though, Fielden got one last year for defending himself when Mason stood on him then punched him

The blame for this incident escalating lies firmly with Steve Ganson. Hull FC were niggling Sam Tomkins all game. Incident after incident after incident. Nothing done about it. Then a brawl breaks out between Yeaman and Joel Tomkins and STILL Ganson does nothing. A ten minute sin bin and neither player would be up in front of the disciplinary. As it stands both players will probably receive a ban. Joel didn't lead with the elbow. He led with the forearm and it rose up. Silly thing to do, but it was always coming after the negligence of the referee.

As for Sam Tomkins. There must have been three of four AT LEAST from each team running in throwing punches. It was a mass brawl. Very harsh to single out just one player. The lad had evidently been provoked throughout the match. He shouldn't have let his frustrations boil over, but in a full-blooded contact sport, who can blame the boy?

Very annoying and this whole case is making me think Wigan need to alter their approach of not commenting on anything after the match. Agar may be a contender for WPOTY award, but his comments will have done our lads no favours.

Ive never seen ganson let a game boil over like that, he usually takes no crap. Is it any coincidence that our next 3 matches are huddersfield, warrington and leeds?

I wonder how much of any player's acting "hit" has come about from the total lack of protection they have had in the last few years? If the ref ignores a late hit on the kicker then how does the player bring it to the refs attention?

Ask Jon Wilkin - he has an 8 page manual on the topic

I dont know where you get this from. To end this once and for all watch a video on a well known video site entitled Carl Ablett on Sam Tomkins.

Watch what Sam does after being elbowed in the face then dove on?

Yep, thats right, he gets up and goes to pull his brother and tommy away from the fighting. Where is his crying in that?

I really don't get where this "crying like Sam Tomkins" comes from tbh.

Just watched the incident of Boots 'N' All- The Tries. If you record it on sky HD, play it but hold the play/pause button. It will show the incident in slow mo. IMO Joel goes in leading with the ball carrying arm into the rib/upper chest area. Then due to the impact his forearm moves to the head.

However, if you watch it numerous times, you notice at the start of play Lee Radford (number 10) is at least 15 yards away from the incident. Yet he RUNS to the incident and swings a punch at Sam.

Not saying our players are innocent. I think Joel should get 1/2 and that would do him good. But I do not think Sam should be punished if Radford isn't.

WCC, I should imagine.

I said this in another post. If Sam is punished then both Hull players must get at the very least the identical punishment.

Ahhh ok. That's why we havent had the chance to see Wilkin cry. Obviously losing Gf's isn't as upsetting.

Another explanation could be:

WCC wins: Wilkin 1, Tomkins 0.

When is the hearing?

We lose both Tomkins Friday we could be in real trouble. Shudders have just battered a team and we are missing the vast majority of our back line plus Fielden.