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| Knowles reacts to his mate getting elbowed in the face however seems to me to be more of an arm grab rather than a clenched fist strike. Lees may/may not cop a ban given the contact but what annoys me is the coverage we are getting. Watson openly asking for the RFL to look at this incident, when was the last time a coach does that? This is to deflect attention from his underperforming team and him as a coach.
I see he makes little reference to the cannonball tackle on Percival which was a shocker and may well see English getting a few games. Hill also had his head in Lees face at one point too, we can all find incidents.
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| Quote: Stu M "Knowles reacts to his mate getting elbowed in the face however seems to me to be more of an arm grab rather than a clenched fist strike. Lees may/may not cop a ban given the contact but what annoys me is the coverage we are getting. Watson openly asking for the RFL to look at this incident, when was the last time a coach does that? This is to deflect attention from his underperforming team and him as a coach.
I see he makes little reference to the cannonball tackle on Percival which was a shocker and may well see English getting a few games. Hill also had his head in Lees face at one point too, we can all find incidents.'"
Makes no odds to us, we're done with both teams till the play-offs and I can't see anyone picking up a 7+ ban but it'll give us a giggle if RedVee goes all RFL conspiracy again IF a Saints player gets a ban out of all of this
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| Two games for Lees, none for Greenwood, no mention of Knowles and a caution for English.
I'm surprised they've gone against Thalers decision on the field tbh and it's not a great look for him that they have done so.
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| Quote: NickyKiss "Two games for Lees, none for Greenwood, no mention of Knowles and a caution for English.
I'm surprised they've gone against Thalers decision on the field tbh and it's not a great look for him that they have done so.'"
I'm not esp after Watson had his say!!
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| Quote: thesaint71 "I'm not esp after Watson had his say!!'"
Coaches having their say seems to be catching on this past few weeks.
Watson moaning or not, it's a ban isn't it? That can't be seen by anyone as being a fair challenge, not in the modern game.
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| It's a conspiracy I tells you!!!
Coaches coming out and questioning the integrity of officials or the disciplinary is not what we want to see. Well, unless it's Wellens in which case it will be warranted and fully justified.
I'm all for solidarity and building an "us against them" team mentality but the way Saints go on is just a whole different level.
Win and they're the greatest and it was against all the odds. Like St Pat's beating the Kangaroos.
Lose and it was everyone elses fault and everyone is against them.
Mental.
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| Quote: apollosghost "Makes no odds to us, we're done with both teams till the play-offs and I can't see anyone picking up a 7+ ban but it'll give us a giggle if RedVee goes all RFL conspiracy again IF a Saints player gets a ban out of all of this
and so it begins .....
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| Quote: NickyKiss "Two games for Lees, none for Greenwood, no mention of Knowles and a caution for English.
I'm surprised they've gone against Thalers decision on the field tbh and it's not a great look for him that they have done so.'"
The Knowles one seems strange. Looks to me like he goes in with the head whilst Greenwood is on the floor.
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| Quote: Phuzzy "The Knowles one seems strange. Looks to me like he goes in with the head whilst Greenwood is on the floor.'"
He only brushes his head against him but I bet Kaide Ellis feels hard done to. The game has been getting itself in an absolute confused mess for ages and it’s getting more and more confused as the weeks go by. They’re so desperate to minimise the risk of head injuries, to the point where players have been banned for trying to help injured players to their feet but yesterday Greenwood gets whacked in the head, then collared by Knowles and then had Knowles pushing his head in to his on the floor and he gets sent off for a soft elbow. It’s little wonder everyone is absolutely stumped as to what is going on and what is acceptable.
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| Quote: NickyKiss "Coaches having their say seems to be catching on this past few weeks.
Watson moaning or not, it's a ban isn't it? That can't be seen by anyone as being a fair challenge, not in the modern game.'"
Fair pont but how Matty English didn't get a ban os beyond me
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| IN[/fimg] Quote: thesaint71 "Fair pont but how Matty English didn't get a ban os beyond me'"
I’d like to see that one. It wasn’t in the highlights I saw (highlights probably being the wrong word for it) but read mention of it not being too clever.
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| Quote: NickyKiss "IN[/fimg]I’d like to see that one. It wasn’t in the highlights I saw (highlights probably being the wrong word for it) but read mention of it not being too clever.'"
I think you’ve mentioned before NK that you are on Twitter? What’s your name on there and I’ll send it to you if you are interested? Or PM me if you don’t want everyone knowing your Twitter name.
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| Quote: NickyKiss "He only brushes his head against him but I bet Kaide Ellis feels hard done to. The game has been getting itself in an absolute confused mess for ages and it’s getting more and more confused as the weeks go by. They’re so desperate to minimise the risk of head injuries, to the point where players have been banned for trying to help injured players to their feet but yesterday Greenwood gets whacked in the head, then collared by Knowles and then had Knowles pushing his head in to his on the floor and he gets sent off for a soft elbow. It’s little wonder everyone is absolutely stumped as to what is going on and what is acceptable.'"
The whole things a mess at the moment. When you see the Shorrocks sending off and subsequent ban and compare it to others who get nothing, it all becomes a bit of a joke. Like you say, the Ellis one was no worse in terms of impact to what happened in the final ("rutting heads" as Kendall phrased it) or what happens on the floor in this incident yet the outcomes are so, so different. I had no issue with the Ellis one but there's just no consistency. When you start to compare with similar incidents that draw little or no punishment it becomes somewhat less palatable.
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| Quote: thesaint71 "Fair pont but how Matty English didn't get a ban os beyond me'"
Mate, the Disciplinary Panel, has made a rod for its own back. On the other hand, half of the suspensions I have seen this season don’t make sense. Mind you, I would certainly like to see coaches banned for speaking derogatorily about referees in public, it has no part in the game. The appropriate channels should be used. Perhaps all these moaning coaches should be made to referee a few matches so that we can see how it should be done.
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| Lees ban is fair under the current rules.
The drama over the Knowles “punch” is actually embarrassing. The footage clearly shows there was no punch.
Greenwood is lucky to get away with a clearly deliberate elbow.
The English one however is the one that makes me angry. The RFL are so obsessed with head contact that they’re turning a blind eye to everything else. These tackles are dangerous, reckless and compete unnecessary.
I’ve played and coached the game over 30 years now and I don’t know one person who would choose the English tackle on them over the Lees one. Yet one is a 2 game ban and the other a slap on the wrist. I just don’t get it.
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