Had you asked the question last year a lot of Saints fans would have had him in. I just think he's not been quite at his best second half of the season whilst we have others who have really stood up and improved (in the ase of Batchelor and Paasi) or surprised (in the case of Hurrell).

I also think he is starting to fall into the Lomax and Roby bracket that you don't even mention him because he does what he always does. I didn't mention Lomax in out POY discussion (I went Batchelor, Paasi, Hurrell) but when I think about it we would have been absoolutely screwed without Lomax and he's had a very good year including playing a chunk of it busted.

If you told me I could swap out Levi for Roby for the play-offs, there is a 0% chance that I would and I'd be very surrised if any fan of any team would.

Roby's efforts have just become the accepted norm and therefore don't attract comment anymore.

Is there not an argument to work down the man of steel leader board until you’ve covered every position?

I’d go with that team only Leutele over one of the centres, Roby over Levi and Marshall over Sio.

I think from Wigan the 3 obvious candidates are French, Field & Farrell but I do think Marshall has had a cracking season and should be in consideration

If the rankings are fair the is absolutely no reason that couldn't work.

He's suffered in a sense by the extraordinary exploits of Field and, particularly, French. In my opinion he's been barely behind them all season and won us both the semi and final (along with Smith) of the Challenge cup. Most years he'd have walked into one of the wing positions. You also have to take into consideration he's made said contributions despite most of our attack, for obvious reasons, going down the right flank.

In all honesty he isn't in the same bracket as those two. Roby is, quite frankly, one of the best players ever to play Superleague.

I see what your saying in that he quietly goes about his business and does it to good effect on a consistent basis. However, the same could be said of Farrel and, I would argue, the things Farrell does, Knowles couldn't and never will be able to do.

I'm not saying he isn't a good player, but he's in the 'valuable grafter' mould. He's never going to win you games in the way a Roby, Lomax or Welsby can.

In sport, Superstars attract fans. We big up the aforementioned or French or Field for example and when non-rugby league types see them, it's clear as day that they're out if the ordinary. Tell a non-rugby league type that Knowles is 'one of the best players in Superleague ' as has been suggested on numerous occasions and they'll be at a loss as to why.

We do ourselves a disservice as a sport trying to over egg good standard, solid, reliable players into superstars. As I say, I've nothing against him. He's a fine player. But we need to stop the hype.

If we went just on derby games this season then Paasi would absolutely stroll into my side. I used to worry about Walmsley - this year I was counting the minutes for him to come back on and get Paasi off the field!

Not when guys like McShane win the overall thing. No one can tell me that Roby wasn't a better player that season. Some players stand out in poor teams (fat boy being a prime example). It doesn't mean they've had a better season that their equivalent at a proper side tho.

When exactly ? Tomorrow or Sunday?

Agreed. He was good tonight again, in a nothing game. which says a lot about him. I still can't see him as an international player, though (but obviously, would love to be proved wrong). But a faIr shout for the Dream Team, certainly.

Yeah, I don’t think he’s quite there but he’s not far off, another season or so and he’s in the reckoning for England (must be fairly close now). Makinson is obviously a shoe in and there must be a few fighting over 2 spots for the World Cup squad? Which I think are Marshall, Ryan Hall, Joe Burgess, Ash Handley, Tom Davies and maybe Lewis Murphy could be in with a late shout. Shame Tom Johnstone isn’t more durable/lucky with injuries as he would definitely be starting and I guess you could say the same with Manfredi.

Not too sure, just read it was this weekend.

Matt Shaw has gone with Smithies

Perhaps my most controversial selection as I know many will go with Morgan Knowles. I'm a huge fan of Knowles but it's impossible to ignore what Smithies has done this year. He has been, simply, superb. If you compare the stats of the two, Smithies has outperformed Knowles in almost every department. He has made more carries and more tackles despite playing three games fewer than his Saints counterpart. Despite making more tackles, he has missed less and given away fewer penalties. His tackle completion rate is 97.8% which is just outrageous. Knowles has more attacking qualities but Smithies has earned his place this season.