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| Unfair, Smith has played behind a beaten pack most weeks. How many folk believe half backs can produce their best behind a beaten pack? His half back partner is too slow and should have retired end of 2020. Smith is also trying to make things happen with all these matters against him. He's working with one of the most useless coaches Wigan have had in SL. Thankfully Smith is going nowhere.
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| Quote: 100% Warrior "If we’re resting v Leigh I expect a loss.'"
I think the resting comment was made by Lam as a nice way of saying players will be dropped.
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| Funnily enough after tonight only one of our halfbacks from today is in the top 10 in Superleague for setting up tries - Harry Smith. The other halfback doesn't even register in the top 20 and the stats stop after that.
He's being asked to carry a team behind a beaten pack most weeks with zero help from his considerably more experienced partner. Maybe we should change the name in the title?
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| Quote: 100% Warrior "People forget he’s 21 with limited first team experience. He’s expected to lead us around the park, set up plays, organise attach, kick, kick goals, get players where he wants them. He’s doing that with a ghost alongside him in Tommy. Throw in the pack ineffectiveness and it quickly becomes apparent he is on a hiding to nothing.
He set up both tries for us tonight which IMO were excellent. I’d love to see Smith under a coach like Holbrook.
Don’t throw in the towel on him yet. What we’re expecting him to do is similar to putting a nail in with a blow up hammer.'"
Agree with this. Too much pressure and expectation on him at the moment.
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| Quote: Father Ted "Unfair, Smith has played behind a beaten pack most weeks. How many folk believe half backs can produce their best behind a beaten pack? His half back partner is too slow and should have retired end of 2020. Smith is also trying to make things happen with all these matters against him. He's working with one of the most useless coaches Wigan have had in SL. Thankfully Smith is going nowhere.'"
The coach doesn’t come up with poor reads in defence and consistently pass the ball totally inaccurately, put the ball out on the full regularly.
The errors he is making are not complex they are very basic skills.
If it was Jai Field making the same mistakes he would be crucified.
I believe at the moment Smith and Powell are killing us with their failure to control/direct play, their passing accuracy and their lack of threat.
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| Quote: jonh "The coach doesn’t come up with poor reads in defence and consistently pass the ball totally inaccurately, put the ball out on the full regularly.
The errors he is making are not complex they are very basic skills.
If it was Jai Field making the same mistakes he would be crucified.
I believe at the moment Smith and Powell are killing us with their failure to control/direct play, their passing accuracy and their lack of threat.'"
I'm not disagreeing with you (although I still think there's a decent player there), but Lam keeps sending him out there week after week, regardless of performance or improvements. Hanley had a very solid game Vs Hudds and that was the opportunity to move JH back to 6.
He's killing us with stuff like that and I think he's killing the players too.
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| Quote: sergeant pepper "I'm not disagreeing with you (although I still think there's a decent player there), but Lam keeps sending him out there week after week, regardless of performance or improvements. Hanley had a very solid game Vs Hudds and that was the opportunity to move JH back to 6.
He's killing us with stuff like that and I think he's killing the players too.'"
I agree I think Hanley played well and was surprised not to see him play tonight given the form of our halves.
What concerns me about Lam is the fact he has been bigging up Smith trying to justify the Hastings to 1 move despite the fact he had been poor.
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| Quote: Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy "Funnily enough after tonight only one of our halfbacks from today is in the top 10 in Superleague for setting up tries - Harry Smith. The other halfback doesn't even register in the top 20 and the stats stop after that.
He's being asked to carry a team behind a beaten pack most weeks with zero help from his considerably more experienced partner. Maybe we should change the name in the title?'"
Spot on, to TL. At least Harry Smith tries to be creative, (see Liam Marshalls 2nd try)., and does have failings in his game, but someone tell me what TL brings to the team to avoid criticism that HS receives ?
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| Quote: jonh "I agree I think Hanley played well and was surprised not to see him play tonight given the form of our halves.
What concerns me about Lam is the fact he has been bigging up Smith trying to justify the Hastings to 1 move despite the fact he had been poor.'"
That's one of my main gripes wth Lam. He seems unable/unwilling to change course, stubborn even. The Hastings @FB thing is just one example. His selection of Clubb and non selection of Clarke is another. We don't even need to talk about Hankinson either.
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| Quote: jonh "The coach doesn’t come up with poor reads in defence and consistently pass the ball totally inaccurately, put the ball out on the full regularly.
The errors he is making are not complex they are very basic skills.
If it was Jai Field making the same mistakes he would be crucified.
I believe at the moment Smith and Powell are killing us with their failure to control/direct play, their passing accuracy and their lack of threat.'"
I said it a few weeks ago but it’s clearly a pure lack of confidence and/or belief in what he’s being asked to do. The Harry Smith we’re seeing now isn’t the one that burst onto the scene.
As it happens I agree with your Jai Field point.
Tommy needs dropping ASAP. JH into the halves and Hanley FB.
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| I felt bad for Smith tonight, I know someone mentioned about being behind a beaten pack, I didnt think that was an issue tonight, but you had a very rigid plan of attack, going at our right edge, and some of his passes, and passes to him weren't accurate.
Not as bad as the game at your place.
Meanwhile leuluai was nowhere to be seen
Just as an aside, wtf were you doing going down our right, we had a prop with crap cardio on the left
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| Needs a few weeks out the fire and has done for a while. I feel for him, as having to play on the back of that front row all season is enough to ruin any young halves career but he’s also playing under Lam and when you add them together, he’s on a hiding to nothing.
I just hope he can bounce back from this season because once your confidence goes as a young halfback and you have a tough time, it’s not easy to bounce back.
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| People getting on a rookie half back whose being asked to run the show.
Yet our experienced captain goes has been missing all year.
Weird.
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| Harry is not the main problem for me.
If we put a fullback at full back and our best half in the halves then it may help him a little. We could also have took the pressure off his kicking by letting Hastings kick. He has no threat by his side bothhTommy or Powell offer almost nothing to open teams up. You can get away with them if you have French out the back along with Hastings as a playmaker but it would be better if we only had one bon at a time for me. I'm fine with Powell at hooker for 80, if we had French Hastings and maybe field. Though can you imagine if we ha a little more from 9.
I thought Singleton played well if anything the forwards laid more than enough to play behind
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| Quote: NSW "People getting on a rookie half back whose being asked to run the show.
Yet our experienced captain goes has been missing all year.
Weird.'"
Yes Tommy was poor.
Tommy has earned his stripes though and still controls the game.
Smith does very little organising.
Smith is 21. He’s had a year in SL I’ve yet to see him string any quality performances together.
He looks totally lost all I see him as being is a link man. Halves need to do more than just pass the ball to the other half to boss it.
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