I really don’t think Hasting will u turn back to a club that at the start of the season was going under. Even if they win this Grand Final they still are at risk next year if people don’t start turning up to games.

This notion that we’re ‘lucky to have finished 2nd & got to the semi’s of the playoffs’ really bugs me.
Firstly, you finish where you deserve to. We had a decent 2nd half to the reason so deserved to finish 2nd. However, part of that was that we deserved it more than a capitulating Hull & Wire.

Once you’re there, you’ve a job to do. If Salford had gone out the way we did, Salford fans may have accepted the claptrap if ‘we’ve had a good year & we did well until the last few weeks’. A club with our recent history in olayoffs, big games & finals, shouldn’t.

It was Lam - and his staffs - job to motivate & prepare the players with a game plan to at least compete. Lets be honest, the last 2 weeks we’ve not even competed. We’ve capitulated. The book for that stops with Lam and his staff.
Nice fella, great player in his day but he is out of his depth when the business end of the season comes and Wigan shouldn’t accept anything less than being involved at the business end. He’s looked lost in recent weeks, like a rabbit in the headlights with no clue how to get his team to even compete.

We can all cope with being beaten by a better team, narrowly in a tight fought game. The last 2 weeks have been anything but. Capitulation & embarrassment are the only words I can use for recent weeks. The blame lies with the coach.

And it was at this point I stopped reading.

Very disrespectful comments to a list of players that only 12 months ago won a Grand Final.

Sorry, Williams was fantastic, man of the match. I wish he was staying and Hastings wasnt coming. Is that better?

Spot on Cadoo. Williams has been our biggest attacking threat ever since he came into the first team. He’s been outstanding for the club and I’m certain he’ll do well at Canberra. I’d have taken more notice of this thread had it been started by anybody else.as soon as I saw who started it, I knew what would follow. I got to the point a while back where I started to believe Enforcer is a Saints fan just out to get a bite so I tend to just ignore his / her tripe these days.

this is going to sound controversial, but here goes ....

given the losses to the playing squad from last year, the edwards nonsense, 2 wingers out for the season, 2 forwards dumped from the squad mid season. finishing 2nd and going on a long unbeaten run should not be viewed as a failure

so .. leaving aside the pluses and minuses of the coach ...

for next year we have a half back incoming who has been outstanding this year
we have a player in french who has a touch of magic
we have a forward coming over who has experience and aggression

we have blooded another couple of young forwards who look to be the deal
we have smith and bourouh to look forward to

not all doom and gloom.

given the expectations we had in feb, and the state of the club in apr - 2019 hasnt been all bad

What the hell do you know? You're so busy happy clapping for Lenagan that you dont know what the hell is going on. You told everybody that the club had done everything right when the Edwards saga was unfolding yet it turned out they had done everything wrong. Yes, announcing a new coach and parading them in front of the cameras without a signature is one of the biggest shambles ive ever seen from the club and Lenagan must take the blame for that.

As for Williams, this page has been littered with people attacking him for the past few years and i have refrained and even defended him but last night showed me that they were right. Where the hell was he? He was so anonymous that O'loughlin, a 36 year old ended up taking over as play maker.

Lets look at the real facts. We havent won a single big game this year and there have been plenty.

World club Challenge

Nou Camp

Anfield V Wire

Wire away in the challenge cup

2 Semi finals to reach old trafford

4 derby games v saints one of which was to reach old Trafford.

All the above were one off must win games in the category of big matches.

Regardless of finishing 2nd in the league we failed every big test in 2019.

2020 is a re boot for the squad.

Lets look at the real facts. We havent won a single big game this year and there have been plenty.

World club Challenge

Nou Camp

Anfield V Wire

Wire away in the challenge cup

2 Semi finals to reach old trafford

4 derby games v saints one of which was to reach old Trafford.

All the above were one off must win games in the category of big matches.

Regardless of finishing 2nd in the league we failed every big test in 2019.

2020 is a re boot for the squad.

It makes stark reading that’s for sure,add in the laughably bad rugby played at times it doesn’t add up as a season to remember at all,Lam won’t have long to turn things round next time out that’s for sure,I’ll bet too season tickets sales take a hit after the last fortnight from those on the fence.

Wow. Now that does clear things up.

For people who think it’s been a good season, the above post shows why some of us don’t think it has been despite all the off field palaver.

Some of the players have worked their socks off but I think it’s a coaching and management issue at the heart of all this.

Management - Have we the right players? Have I picked the right coach?

Coaching - Are they motivated enough? Have we the right tactics to beat the opposition?

Canberra Raiders best hope they've kept their receipt after your assessment. Your comments are reactionary, hyperbolic and rash. When was the last time a british halfback was signed up by the Aussies?

Last night was a bad night. As was the week before. But allow yourself some perspective. Twelve months ago that list of players you've rinsed won the Grand Final.

Chris Thorman, Parramatta, 2004.

George had a bad game but let’s be frank here; he’s two plays in front of everyone else, he sees things others don’t and can’t and tries to put players in gaps and spaces they’re not capable or quick enough to hit.

In the NRL that all changes. I personally think he’ll be an absolute star over there if he plays to his potential.

You know when you see a post you desperately want to argue with but you can’t? That.

It certainly makes cold hard reading.