For the season? Definitely. Worse I've ever seen

As rubbish as we have been, i would love anyone to dispute this.

Fire away.....

I think it was Bilko at some point who came up with a stat of games missed by all the superleagues 1-17 in squad numbers. We were too by an absolute mile.

Injuries aren't to blame for the second half of this season but they crippled us in the first half of this season and three quarters of last year.

According to League Express, Shaun Wane has decided to go into the transfer market. That suggests very strongly that he'll be our head coach next season. I wonder who he's looking at?

7,8,9,10 hopefully

Tbf even if Wane was replaced in the offseason I imagine he'd refuse to believe it and still think he was Wigan coach and turn up to your training ground and ground and have to be escorted away and talk like he still was the coach in interviews and refer to them still as "his players"

So him talking like he expects to be there in 2018 probably doesn't tell you much. Have to wait on comment from IL.

You could read into his statements of about what he is going to do as those of someone rather desperate they came out so quick. Not someone who is sure of his status. He's been very quick to say what he is going to do. The $64,000 question is does IL agree?

More a case of who he can get rid of buddy...

I agree he didn't give much pause for thought, still think he will be there next season I'd go as far as to say I'd be amazed if Wane isn't there next season to be honest the club seems in denial over the standard of play.

Same here. His statements were IMO a bit of a plea to let him try do it. As you say, no pause for thought. His virtually instantaneous solution was sign some more players. So much for a thorough investigation of what is required.

It would be a hard hearted person who would deny Wane the chance to put right what he has delivered this season. His record gives him enough credit in the bank to be given that chance.

But another repeat of this season will mean that it's a last chance saloon.

However it should be the last chance for many of the players. Bringing back Joel and Sam Tomkins has been a disaster. It has been difficult watching Sam, hoping against hope that what you are seeing in front of you just isn't so. He is clearly finished. Not the worst full back in the league by any stretch but miles away from when he was peerless. His status as marquee player just cannot be justified. Joel's knees are knackered. He is finished. Very sad also, but again a very highly paid player we cannot justify any longer.

Just what is Micky Mac for any longer? Capable only of winding the opposition up, and not very good at that either. I want a hooker like Danny Houghton, able to play the whole game who tackles forever and is a decent runner and passer.

The props need supplementing. Sutton just hasn't come on. FPN has been steady nothing more. A far cry from Walmsley and Hill for example.

Tommy has been a disaster. Absolutely useless with ball in hand and worse at kicking.

So all of those high earners need replacing in my view.

We still have the best back row and Lockers must play on for at least another year, simply irreplaceable. After that I'd say every single player's reputation has suffered. Joe Burgess has been poor, although playing him at centre was just unfair on the lad. Gelling has been inconsistent. Gildart did well to return from a horrific injury, but he was average, no better.

Lastly Williams. Hasn't justified his wages IMO. However there are mitigating circumstances. He got no help from his scrum half. At times he was our only attacking threat. And the pressure told in the end.

So all in all, lots for Wane to do. I'd say we need a new full back, we need Manfredi back, we need a scrum half, we need two new props and a hooker.

Time for Mr Lenegan to splash the cash instead of looking at ridiculous jaunts to Australia, get back to basics, build a new team that can play exciting rugby. I have my doubts whether Waney can deliver too, but I think it would be wrong to replace him now. As I said give him the chance to put it right.

The question will be is where are Wigan going to get the money from in order to get those players you say are needed? Surely you must be there or thereabouts with regards to the salary cap, and without paying off the players you say are finished (unless their contracts are up) you aren't going to get any money in for them as far as a transfer fee, so where is the money coming from?

No NRL player(s) at the peak of their game is going to come over to the UK because they can earn far more staying in Oz, and lets be honest, there are no English world class players any more to take from this country, we just aren't producing them.

I'd say most clubs in the league would want to get rid of the deadwood in their ranks, but limited talent and spending money just don't allow it to be done - hence the poor quality in most teams this year.

I would say that we need to get rid of Sam Tomkins, Joel Tomkins, Leuluai, Nuuausala, Sutton and McIlorum. All high earners which creates plenty of room on the cap.

Now, people will say that those players don't need to move and will be difficult to get rid of. But they are professional sportsmen. They should be told you are not in the first 17 next season. If you're happy with that then stay but if you aren't we will find a club for you. Most professional sportsmen want to play.

The team needs an overhaul, and in my view the squad with the exception of Bateman, Farrell and O'Loughlin have been complacent, expecting the name Wigan to just be enough to win games. It's been a massive wake up call this season. The whole club needs to focus on one thing only, winning games. Of course it doesn't help getting the season off to a winning start when you play your first home game 10,000 miles away which is utterly barmy.

Why? What's wrong with Escare?

The cracks were starting to appear before he got injured. His last couple of games showed his true form IMO. Not good enough.