I was concerned in pre season with Wanes 'tough' approach and i was worried when he said we hadn't peaked yet, even though we smashed Leeds at headingley and saints at the ethiad Hopefully we will pick up the pace again, but it will be tough when wane wants us to go full throttle every week.

It's obvious to see we have lost the intensity and ruthlessness we had earlier in the season but the Leeds game goes to show you can't just turn this on like a tap, there's so many different factors in performing with such high intensity. Some Wire fans are very deluded in thinking their team are selecting games to win/turn up in. There isn't a coach in rugby league who won't be telling their players to give it their all every time they step out onto the field.

Wasn't that Tomkins in his post match interview at Headingley?

I really do hope that Fielden makes a successful comeback, but mentioning him in the same breath as the return of Leluai and Pat is rather straw grasping.

In my opinion definitely. Apparently after the Warrington game Wane "beasted" the players in training. If that is how he does things he isn't a very good coach.



I think they would in one sense. They have not been subjected to this stupid full-on training for some weeks. Look at Pat Richards. He looked as fresh as a daisy and for someone who has had a lay-off like him and an under 20's game preparation to look like the sprightliest player on the park says a lot in my opinion.



Depends what Wane does with them in the near future doesn't it. The damage may already be done for some of them. Can a week off make up for a season long full on training regime?

I’m not sure about exhausted, I think it could be a case of the LLS is in the bag (a bad thought to have in the back of their minds, but maybe it’s there) let’s get to the play-offs. The subconscious can be de-railer when it comes to performances. I know what’s said about our form and the loss of Tommy, but I’ve never thought that one player can be such a be all and end all to one team, whatever his ability, but maybe I was wrong! I hope not.

If wane is beasting the players then for me he is over ruling Bitcon and ignoring his own appointed highly trained and very astute conditioning staff.

This is what I thought as well. I don't understand why he would do that except out of some old fashioned stubborn view he is going to do it his way. Apparently though the players were put through the mill after the wire game.

agree a bit with this in the warrington and salford game micky mac has been strugling to get back in to dummy half, first full season playing 80 mins every game, hopefully when tommys back we can alternate either smith or tommy at hooker to give him some help. otherwise for me where just trying to do to much to far away from the line as i don t think our props have been gaining as much yardage in the second half of the season.

Wanes post match comments on Monday: "we will train hard this week. They MIGHT have Monday off".

No wonder we are frigged

"Tired", No. Out of form / playing badly, Yes.

But there's nowt new there. It's happened every season, for as long as I can remember.
In any sport, be it Cricket, Golf, Tennis, players hit a lull, and RL is no exception.
IMO, it's a sign of a good team that we could still play so poorly, and notch up a win against Salford!
The team will come around, we always do.

In itself that may not be an issue. They may/may not have needed it and that HAS to be Wane's call.

However, I am in agreement that, imo, we have not timed our run in properly. Let's hope I am wrong and there is enough left in the tank to win what is a very average SL.

There's nothing wrong with them training this week, it just depends on what they do in training.

We don't want them to relax too much because whilst we might be able to play poorly and get through the HKR game in a similar manner to Monday night, I would expect that Waney wants them hitting their straps ahead of the Saints game to put a marker down for the 3/4 games that follow.

If we play to our potential then we're more than capable of beating anyone. My worry is that we look to be carrying too many players through games.

Is it possible that Wane is a little more intelligent than his image, and is perpetuating the "flog em till they drop" myth. It hardly does his long term career prospects any good if he is as dogmatic as some on here suggest, remembering that Lenagan will be studying his every move at this vital part of the season. Psychology worthy of Alex Ferguson at play?