Swings and roundabouts - I think we were lucky to play both cup finalists between the semis and final. Agreed that the Wakefield defeat could be very costly. Leeds at home is another one that springs to mind, being 14-0 up against 12 men.

Saints do play both relegation candidates away from home in the run in which might not be easy.

I'd definitely have taken 3 wins from the last 3 particularly given for the Leeds and Salford games we had 8/9 missing, not just squad players but players that would be in the 17.

Yesterday was a strange one, we were 12-0 up inside 10 minutes playing as well as we have done all season and then when Greenwood is sent off, they are galvanised and we suddenly think its easy (a point made by Wellens after the game) We tried to force too many points and as a result made a lot of errors, gave stupid penalties away and a few six agains.

Batchelor and LMS returned yesterday and also Matautia after his ban. Batchelor only played 20 mins though as per the plan.

Hurrell and Sironen should return after the next 2/3 weeks and then its all about form at the business end of the season. We definitely miss the "punch" that Paasi and Walmsley give us as Lees and Delaney don't get us on the front foot as much.

Having said all this we are still only a Welsby injury away from our season being over. He got some stick on social media last night from Wigan fans for the Naiqama try yet sets up 2 for Makinson and scores one himself yesterday. He is the focal point of our ability to score and his defensive weaknesses at times are negated by his outstanding attacking ability.

Leigh v Catalan next week then Wigan go to Catalan so there are points to be dropped for the top teams for sure.

Watson not at all happy with the send off, could be popcorn time with today's disciplinary meeting, nice knowing we've got nothing to worry about this week

I've watched the incident a few times but it's difficult to make out for sure if Lees makes contact with the head of Greenwood first. I think he probably does and if that is the case, he is lucky the game was not on TV. It was certainly more out of control than what Shorrocks saw red for in the cup semi and unlike a ducking Micky Lewis, we've got a 6ft 5 Joe Greenwood here, running upright in to contact. I said I had no issue with the Shorrocks incident in the semi because they're reasonably consistent and players get sent off for them now but maybe that's just if the game is on TV and the VR looks a numerous slow motion replays.

Greenwoods red is extremely soft but I suppose you can't move your elbow towards somebody, even if you think you've been attacked to the head and should instead fall to the floor and play dead because that is what the rules are encouraging nowadays. As for Knowles, well he does Knowles things on the floor but they won't ban him for that.

Leaves the floor/jumps to hit him that high so reckless at the least
Also Lees throws a punch at Greenwood whilst everyone is still standing doesn't he ?

It's Knowles who you could possibly say is throwing a punch but he just grabs his collar in the end and I can't see them pinning him for it.

If that game was on TV, I think Lees sees red, Greenwood sees red and Knowles might have got spoken to as well. As it was, Greenwood get hit high, Knowles then starts to rough him up and Greenwood gets sent off for his troubles. You can't help but feel a bit sorry for him.

Knowles reacts to his mate getting elbowed in the face however seems to me to be more of an arm grab rather than a clenched fist strike. Lees may/may not cop a ban given the contact but what annoys me is the coverage we are getting. Watson openly asking for the RFL to look at this incident, when was the last time a coach does that? This is to deflect attention from his underperforming team and him as a coach.

I see he makes little reference to the cannonball tackle on Percival which was a shocker and may well see English getting a few games. Hill also had his head in Lees face at one point too, we can all find incidents.

Makes no odds to us, we're done with both teams till the play-offs and I can't see anyone picking up a 7+ ban but it'll give us a giggle if RedVee goes all RFL conspiracy again IF a Saints player gets a ban out of all of this

Two games for Lees, none for Greenwood, no mention of Knowles and a caution for English.

I'm surprised they've gone against Thalers decision on the field tbh and it's not a great look for him that they have done so.

I'm not esp after Watson had his say!!

Coaches having their say seems to be catching on this past few weeks.

Watson moaning or not, it's a ban isn't it? That can't be seen by anyone as being a fair challenge, not in the modern game.

It's a conspiracy I tells you!!!

Coaches coming out and questioning the integrity of officials or the disciplinary is not what we want to see. Well, unless it's Wellens in which case it will be warranted and fully justified.

I'm all for solidarity and building an "us against them" team mentality but the way Saints go on is just a whole different level.

Win and they're the greatest and it was against all the odds. Like St Pat's beating the Kangaroos.

Lose and it was everyone elses fault and everyone is against them.

Mental.

The Knowles one seems strange. Looks to me like he goes in with the head whilst Greenwood is on the floor.

He only brushes his head against him but I bet Kaide Ellis feels hard done to. The game has been getting itself in an absolute confused mess for ages and it’s getting more and more confused as the weeks go by. They’re so desperate to minimise the risk of head injuries, to the point where players have been banned for trying to help injured players to their feet but yesterday Greenwood gets whacked in the head, then collared by Knowles and then had Knowles pushing his head in to his on the floor and he gets sent off for a soft elbow. It’s little wonder everyone is absolutely stumped as to what is going on and what is acceptable.