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| Quote: Angelus "https://www.wiganwarriors.com/news/2020-01-28-wigan-announce-pride-day
Pride day when we play catalans
Will Hardaker be playing that day?
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| Quote: rugbyreddog "Will Hardaker be playing that day?'"
You're a bit late to the party sunshine
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| Quote: [Gareth] ""You're a bit late to the party sunshine'"
By bit he means quite a lot. At least 3 days and 10 pages.
But to answer the question, yes, yes he will
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| Quote: rugbyreddog "Will Hardaker be playing that day?'"
There's quite a difference between what Hardaker and what Folau did.
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| Quote: TheButcher "Poor logic.
You're saying that people with outdated and hateful views, willing to commit actual crimes in the name of that hate, are the social victims in all this? That those people who have had to grow-up in fear of what these people do everyday should have to sink into obscurity so as not to offend the timid sensibilities of bigots?
Unbelievable.'"
In your own personal opinion. of course! Quote: TheButcher "'"
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| Quote: hatty "Fantastic by Wigan, well done.'"
I hope all the straight people boycott the game. Wigan should not have done this, as supporters who have season tickets lose out if they prefer not to attend. I certainly wouldn`t go if I was a Wigan supporter, I would be afraid of being classed as a gay or rainbow warrior.
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| Quote: Giantscorpio "I hope all the straight people boycott the game. Wigan should not have done this, as supporters who have season tickets lose out if they prefer not to attend. I certainly wouldn`t go if I was a Wigan supporter, I would be afraid of being classed as a gay or rainbow warrior.'"
Or worse, a Huddersfield fan!
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20333_1393344959.gif Current thoughts - Mago out or get running up them plantations, get fit or get rid.
Maybe a back up halfback, someone with a bit of experience on a short term deal.
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| Quote: Jukesays "All I'm pointing out (And I believe the other poster is making it clear what his views are) is that no-one is ramming LGBTQ down anyone throat anymore than an armed forces day is ramming the "Glory" of War down someone's throat for example.
Championing LGBTQ is no different to holding a Mental Health awareness day (And remember not long ago it wasn't as acceptable to be open up about Mental Health issues which created a lot of misery for sufferers).
Not that long ago people with mental Health issues kept them secret for fear of ridicule, and that stigma still exists, but we have to keep on championing it's cause so it doesn't become one again.
I have No idea why anyone recognising any part of the more marginalised or vulnerable parts of society should cause anyone else who isn't interested in it a problem?
I will 100% guarantee that if a player had expressed horrible views about mental illness and then Wigan had announced they would hold a mental Health awareness game against that players club No-one would have batted and eye and criticised the club for doing it
Why is this any different?
You 100% correctly make the comparison that celebrating 1 thing doesn't necessarily mean we should celebrate another and quite rightly make the link to the Club itself by saying "That's why support of any given cause should be a personal choice unless, as I say, that 'personal' link is to the club itself or the sport or community it represents".
However - Why is the club linked to Mental Health awareness but not LGBTQ?
Why is it linked to Armed forces day but not LGBTQ?
Why is it linked to Disability issues but not LGBTQ?
Even if the club doesn't think it's linked to LGBTQ (Which it is) why does it matter that they want to help?
How does it affect the casual fan that may not be interested in LGBTQ issues?
If it's because they have to look at a Few Rainbow flags & hear a couple of announcements over a tannoy I'm not sure that's a big thing and not sure why anyone would feel Bad about that?
Especially when the same things happen for other worthy causes and no one bats an eye?'"
6% of the UK are LGBTQ.
10% are ginger, the one demographic that is openly oppressed yet goes totally ignored.
If anything, we should have a ginger day and celebrate gingers because they are the friendliest bunch going.
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| Quote: Giantscorpio "I hope all the straight people boycott the game. Wigan should not have done this, as supporters who have season tickets lose out if they prefer not to attend. I certainly wouldn`t go if I was a Wigan supporter, I would be afraid of being classed as a gay or rainbow warrior.'"
Had this comment been racial the topic would have been locked, just saying.
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| Quote: Angelus "Being a mother is just a thing that is. Being gay is just a thing that is. Its not a social issue or a political one. It just is. So i would say both are free to be celebrated. Personally i don't like it when the club celebrates fathers day, as mine is about as useful as a chocolate fireguard, but i wouldn't say they shouldn't do it'"
"Gay pride or LGBT pride is the promotion of the self-affirmation, dignity, equality, and increased visibility of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender people as a social group. Pride, as opposed to shame and social stigma, is the predominant outlook that bolsters most LGBT rights movements."
I'll leave you to ponder on what constitutes a socio-political movement for yourself.
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"I've got one word for you Mr Chairman - Penalty Count"
[quote="The Daddy"]I've got one word for you all......Steve Hanley[/quote]
Some Salford fan said to me and I quote "You are by far and away the most Handsome & Knowledgeable Rugby League Fan in England!"
I thanked him and went on my Merry way!
RIVERCAVE DWELLER OF THE YEAR 2015!
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| Quote: post "6% of the UK are LGBTQ.
10% are ginger, the one demographic that is openly oppressed yet goes totally ignored.
If anything, we should have a ginger day and celebrate gingers because they are the friendliest bunch going.'"
And if we did, I'd be ok with that, would you?
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| Quote: Jukesays "All I'm pointing out (And I believe the other poster is making it clear what his views are) is that no-one is ramming LGBTQ down anyone throat anymore than an armed forces day is ramming the "Glory" of War down someone's throat for example.
Championing LGBTQ is no different to holding a Mental Health awareness day (And remember not long ago it wasn't as acceptable to be open up about Mental Health issues which created a lot of misery for sufferers).
Not that long ago people with mental Health issues kept them secret for fear of ridicule, and that stigma still exists, but we have to keep on championing it's cause so it doesn't become one again.
I have No idea why anyone recognising any part of the more marginalised or vulnerable parts of society should cause anyone else who isn't interested in it a problem?
I will 100% guarantee that if a player had expressed horrible views about mental illness and then Wigan had announced they would hold a mental Health awareness game against that players club No-one would have batted and eye and criticised the club for doing it
Why is this any different?
You 100% correctly make the comparison that celebrating 1 thing doesn't necessarily mean we should celebrate another and quite rightly make the link to the Club itself by saying "That's why support of any given cause should be a personal choice unless, as I say, that 'personal' link is to the club itself or the sport or community it represents".
However - Why is the club linked to Mental Health awareness but not LGBTQ?
Why is it linked to Armed forces day but not LGBTQ?
Why is it linked to Disability issues but not LGBTQ?
Even if the club doesn't think it's linked to LGBTQ (Which it is) why does it matter that they want to help?
How does it affect the casual fan that may not be interested in LGBTQ issues?
If it's because they have to look at a Few Rainbow flags & hear a couple of announcements over a tannoy I'm not sure that's a big thing and not sure why anyone would feel Bad about that?
Especially when the same things happen for other worthy causes and no one bats an eye?'"
Firstly, let me make it clear once again, as it doesn't seem to be getting through, that I'm not expressing support of those views and certainly not in the manner they're being expressed, I'm expressing the support of someone to hold an alternative viewpoint, whether it's popular or not.
You seem to be agreeing with me on many points although I'm not sure you're aware of it. For example, I couldn't agree more that, if this is the stance the club is taking, then it should be rolled out across more causes. Why just one game? Why not every game a different cause? The point I have been making throughout is not one cause above all others.
To address the main point we seem to disagree on. You say 'why so and so and not LBGTQ?' Well, the answer to that goes to the 2nd point I've been making which is they have specific connections to the club, sport or community. Mental health through it's direct impact on former players, notably Terry Newton and forces and disability through their respective rugby league competitions,
Had we had a player suffering homophobic abuse or there were LBGTQ rugby league competitions then I would agree that this was a similar case. I'm not aware that there are but if that's indeed the case then fair enough. Failing any particular affiliation to our club or sport though, my original point stands. All or nothing is not an unreasonable stance.
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| Quote: Jukesays "And if we did, I'd be ok with that, would you?'"
Not really, and for the same reasons. Similarly I wouldn't be against it if the club decided to go down this route as long as we had similarly themed blonde days, brown haired days, no hair days, changeable colour hair days. In fact this, ludicrous though the intent, illustrates my point perfectly.
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| Quote: Phuzzy ""Gay pride or LGBT pride is the promotion of the self-affirmation, dignity, equality, and increased visibility of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender people as a social group. Pride, as opposed to shame and social stigma, is the predominant outlook that bolsters most LGBT rights movements."
I'll leave you to ponder on what constitutes a socio-political movement for yourself.'"
I've genuinely never heard the term before so I'm looking at it and now. I understand the social part, not so much the political part. I guess wanting equal rights is the political part?
I stand by saying being gay isnt a sociopolitical issue, but I understand why pride events would be
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