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| Quote DaveO="DaveO" I agree with the salary cap you have to plan your squad recruitment carefully not react to events which is what the club seemingly did with Roberts and then Bird when he suddenly became available.
I said signing Roberts was event driven and not planned at the time we were rumoured to be getting him early but IL was still flavour of the month so I am not sure my view was very popular.
I had thought there was some planning going on for example the length of Phelps contract coincides (when it expires) with a further reduction in the quota. He wanted a longer deal and Wigan didn't give him one as it would have meant a precious quota spot going on him that year (whether he should have been signed at all is another matter). But then when the club signed Roberts early that didn't look like planning to me.'"
I really do think IL used the Roberts situation to try and gain more brownie points with the fans by making it look like he had pulled off some kind of great business by getting Roberts here early. It seems Roberts becoming available just papered over the fact that we had failed to sign anyone bar Riddell.
Quote DaveO="DaveO"As to the half backs I had hoped Smith and S Tomkins could pair up and form a new partnership but this is/was too radical for Noble. Smith is a 7 and S Tomkins a better stand off than either Smith or TL. I doubt Noble will try it given Smith's defence but I don't reckon he has worked out half the positions in the side in terms of his best combination including half back. Noble's solution was to go for Bird and when that could not come off he has been left with what he has got but has not made the best of it IMO.
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In fairness i think you kind of answered your own thoughts when you said 'I doubt Noble will try it given Smith's defence'. Smith has now sent a message out to the rest of SL that if they run big men at him they will eventually score trys. Not only is his defence very,very poor,he looks seriously unfit. I really dont see how Noble can try Smith and Tomkins together as i dont see how Smith is going to get back into the team unless he suddenly learns how to tackle. I really dont see how you can point the finger at Noble regarding the halfback problem especially when he was desperate to sign a replacement for Barrett but ended up with a winger a year early.
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| Quote Red Hot Jalapeno="Red Hot Jalapeno"I really dont see how you can point the finger at Noble regarding the halfback problem especially when he was desperate to sign a replacement for Barrett but ended up with a winger a year early.'"
Because he will continue to (try and) play Smith IMO, won't play him in the right position and will compromise the side in that it ought to have McIllorum on the bench not Smith. If Smith plays again we will see him hanging out in the centres in defence and getting run all over when IMO he should stay in the middle where someone like Hansen can take care of him. He was looked after when playing in Oz by some great defenders alongside him.
The fact we have not got Bird means Noble needs to get over it and make the best of what he has got. He is IMO the worst coach in the league for making the best of what he has available. If his players are not his type of player he does not seem to be able to make the adjustments necessary to get the best of what he does have.
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| Quote DaveO="DaveO"Because he will continue to (try and) play Smith IMO, won't play him in the right position and will compromise the side in that it ought to have McIllorum on the bench not Smith. If Smith plays again we will see him hanging out in the centres in defence and getting run all over when IMO he should stay in the middle where someone like Hansen can take care of him. He was looked after when playing in Oz by some great defenders alongside him.
The fact we have not got Bird means Noble needs to get over it and make the best of what he has got. He is IMO the worst coach in the league for making the best of what he has available. If his players are not his type of player he does not seem to be able to make the adjustments necessary to get the best of what he does have.
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Fully agree..look at the problems wakey have had..but still manage to play better rugby than us!!.... 
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| Quote Wigan/Leeds Andy="Wigan/Leeds Andy"The way things are, with our next two SL games being Stains and then Catalan away I can really see us being 3 from 10.
If that happens, Lenagan is going to have to put his hand in his pocket and find a new coach - a world class one at that. I'm not one for sacking coaches mid-season, especially with no relegation but he's actually coaching the side into a position where I'm really not that bothered if we lose anymore, I just shrug my shoulders and say "oh well". I couldn't make it over tonight because of work and I wasn't bothered - and anyone that knows me will tell you that's a bad sign.'"
Think your post reflects how a lot of people feel, i would of actually been suprised if we had managed to win against Huddersfield, my expectations with Noble in charge have never been lower.
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| Quote Wigan/Leeds Andy="Wigan/Leeds Andy"The way things are, with our next two SL games being Stains and then Catalan away I can really see us being 3 from 10.
If that happens, Lenagan is going to have to put his hand in his pocket and find a new coach - a world class one at that. I'm not one for sacking coaches mid-season, especially with no relegation but he's actually coaching the side into a position where I'm really not that bothered if we lose anymore, I just shrug my shoulders and say "oh well". I couldn't make it over tonight because of work and I wasn't bothered - and anyone that knows me will tell you that's a bad sign.'"

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| Do you honestly think we'll sack Noble? His contract is up at the end of the year and there is no relegation - Sacking him would be a crap bit of business.
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| Quote piemandan="piemandan"Do you honestly think we'll sack Noble? His contract is up at the end of the year and there is no relegation - Sacking him would be a crap bit of business.'"
Unless we want the end of season do in April, Lenagan needs to find a world class coach and pay for one if needed.
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| Quote piemandan="piemandan"Do you honestly think we'll sack Noble? His contract is up at the end of the year and there is no relegation - Sacking him would be a crap bit of business.'"
Losing all of your fans who are sick of e rugby would be even worse business
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| Quote piemandan="piemandan"Do you honestly think we'll sack Noble? His contract is up at the end of the year and there is no relegation - Sacking him would be a crap bit of business.'"
So therefore we should just accept these dross performances cos sacking Noble is 'bad business'?
Give over.
I've supported Noble heavily in the past - and I am about to contradict every pro-Noble post I've ever made;
Sack Noble tomorrow, he isn't taking us anywhere and its quite clear to me now that he doesn't have a bloody clue.
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| Quote piemandan="piemandan"Do you honestly think we'll sack Noble? His contract is up at the end of the year and there is no relegation - Sacking him would be a crap bit of business.'"
how did you work that one out Sherlock?
getting rid of Knobskin now would give the new coach plenty of time to assess what is going wrong and who needs to go so it can be remedied in the off season, letting Knobskin see out the remainder of his contract would be a bad move IMVHO
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| I think we'll stick with him until the end of the season, which unfortunately means our season is over as soon as we get knocked out the CC.
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