I don't think it's unreasonable to say, we won't win a game with *that* team. But hopefully we have Faz and JB and Hastings to come back. As NSW says, KPP, Shorrocks and Havard had a real dig.(can you imagine, by the way, An NRL prop making a break like Havard, and not having a half or hooker or full-back on his shoulder?), which only highlighted how poor our props were. But even of Wigan found an all-singing, all-dancing prop, it wouldn't solve out lack of creativity in attack. Hence the number of 'held-ups'. Does that show we were unlucky? it does not; it shows we have no other ideas in attack. We don't scare even ordinary SL defences. And, let's be right, things weren't *that* much better when Hastings was playing.

Couldn’t agree re our lack of creativity.
We must be one the lowest try scoring teams in competition and I think we are the only team to have played Leyth twice so far this season.

Our defence has dropped alarmingly over the last couple of months which compounds our attacking frailties.
I can’t see many more victories on the horizon and every match will be an arm wrestle at best.

I like Hastings but I can’t see him going left side with coach because with nrl next season why should he bust his balls this season to compensate for an awful coach.

Oh I agree fully with that. The responses to the clubs tweet with Lam’s reaction make some on here - including my own - look almost celebratory. I’m sure I read one that said we’d be relegated



On the hope side nor have I but as you’ve said, it’s difficult with the ineptitude of our coach at the helm.

Agreed. With a depleted squad all he had to do was pick what he had in their correct positions and say give it a go!

As mentioned on Mikes board by someone else what made Lam think Hanley was a better winger than Marshall and Marshall a better full back than Hanley?

Presumably Hanley possesses the skills and attributes of a full modern back or why is he first choice in the academy? He never looks comfortable on the wing and was caught out tonight. Marshall never passed and so is clearly not a full back. Baffling.

The substitutions were crazy such as doing the same as last week and bringing a prop on for five minutes at the end.

Last week at least Hastings being a half back wasn’t a completely outlandish choice as a full back but by half time when it clearly wasn’t working he did not nothing to change it about.

I think we could and probably should have been able to win both games despite the depleted squads and if Lam was a decent coach I think we may well have. The trouble is I don’t think he has a clue.

I agree. Wigan have scored 172 points this season. Leigh have scored 194.

I've just watched brief 'highlights' (?) of the game. Wakefields tries ......not one Wigan player laid a hand on them ! Dear God.

I stopped listening just before half time and watched a few youtube videos on making curries instead

If that's the case then IL needs to sell up. That sounds harsh, but this club deserves to be at the cutting edge of the game. Not winning a trophy a year just isn't good enough for Wigan. Losing to Catalan > Hull KR > Wakey on the bounce is absolutely scandalous. I don't even know how to categorise Wigan lads turning the club down for a "new challenge" and going to Wire.

If that doesn't trigger big changes, or set a fire under the owner, then that's a solid sign to walk away. We talk about players losing the 'fight/fire" and it happens to every good administrator too. There's no shame in it. He's what 75? That's only 5 years younger than Mo who many (myself included) would class as too old to run a club.

I feel like I'm using the phrase "I'm a big IL fan" before a lot of my posts. I still am btw, but to me that's an indication that things aren't going smoothly. Let's not sugar coat it - the last 3 - 4 years haven't been the best under his stewardship.

I still can't get over how Trinity conspired to only score twice! I thought your lads gave it a good shot but if we had played anything as we did against Hudds we would have got a hat full. I know we were a fair few players light ourselves but with the amount of ball and territory we had, combined with your error rate, any other team would have had a field day.

I suppose that makes us both unhappy bunnies but at least we got the points, just not as easy as we should have.

I got the impression that Lam wasn't too happy with Oliver Gildart in his post match interview. Mentioned that he pulled out in the morning and that he was proud of James McConnell for playing through his injury to help the team out. The way he said it made me think that all might not be well there.

Hard to criticise Gildart as he's been superb for us over his career but he does seem to have gone all "Ben Barba" on us this season.

Agree. Can't blame hin though. Will just be wanting to arrive healthy in NRL now. This season already become a farce and non-event......