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It'll be a miracle if every club survives, if a second wave hits it'll be a miracle if the professional sport survives.

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Makes me wonder if we will have clubs in SL that are no longer full time, when the dust has settled and how different things look on the finance front come completely to light.

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Quote: MorePlaymakersNeeded "Makes me wonder if we will have clubs in SL that are no longer full time, when the dust has settled and how different things look on the finance front come completely to light.'"


It's going to be a worrying time for a lot of professional sport. They will not know the full implications for a while.
At Wigan Shearings, one of the major sponsors has gone bust and I'll guarantee that many other clubs will have similar problems Will businesses be in position to sponsor clubs to the same standard?

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "It's going to be a worrying time for a lot of professional sport. They will not know the full implications for a while.
At Wigan Shearings, one of the major sponsors has gone bust and I'll guarantee that many other clubs will have similar problems Will businesses be in position to sponsor clubs to the same standard?'"


The financial situation of Shearings was already looking bad as the company was having problems prior to the virus which only made things worse!

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "It's going to be a worrying time for a lot of professional sport. They will not know the full implications for a while.
At Wigan Shearings, one of the major sponsors has gone bust and I'll guarantee that many other clubs will have similar problems Will businesses be in position to sponsor clubs to the same standard?'"


The sponsors are more imperative to whether clubs survive than games going ahead I think. More and more sponsors are appearing on shirts, shorts even socks and every aspect of a matchday seems to carry a sponsor. As you say, we've already lost one sponsor how many more will follow?

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "It's going to be a worrying time for a lot of professional sport. They will not know the full implications for a while.
At Wigan Shearings, one of the major sponsors has gone bust and I'll guarantee that many other clubs will have similar problems Will businesses be in position to sponsor clubs to the same standard?'"


Absolutely, sponsorship is just one of many income streams that all sports clubs are going to take a hit with, and money in funds money out. SL's biggest income stream is from Sky tv, which we have until 2021. The renewal of this deal was of great concern to me prior to Covid19, which has made matters a whole lot worse, even for Sky.

Tough times ahead.

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Quote: Egg Chasing "The sponsors are more imperative to whether clubs survive than games going ahead I think. More and more sponsors are appearing on shirts, shorts even socks and every aspect of a matchday seems to carry a sponsor. As you say, we've already lost one sponsor how many more will follow?'"


Not to mention, you may have sponsors or potential future sponsors who are unhappy with exactly what i was talking about earlier in the thread. Its precisely why politics should be kept out of sport.

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Quote: The_Enforcer "Not to mention, you may have sponsors or potential future sponsors who are unhappy with exactly what i was talking about earlier in the thread. Its precisely why politics should be kept out of sport.'"


We don't want them associated with the club then I imagine.

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Quote: The_Enforcer "Not to mention, you may have sponsors or potential future sponsors who are unhappy with exactly what i was talking about earlier in the thread. Its precisely why politics should be kept out of sport.'"


Or we could attract more sponsors from being a club that shows complete equality throughout?

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Quote: The_Enforcer "Not to mention, you may have sponsors or potential future sponsors who are unhappy with exactly what i was talking about earlier in the thread. Its precisely why politics should be kept out of sport.'"



But there you go, bringing it up again, when deep down you know as does everyone else that sponsors in No way would disassociate itself with a forward thinking organisation that promotes equality and progressive thinking.

But seeing as you have brought politics up
Hows them Florida coronavirus cases going?
Remember when Matty mentioned 200 to 2000 and you dismissed it

Quote: The_Enforcer "Thats the narrative we are lead to believe but going off the stats, there has not been any spike in new infections so far despite the first major protest taking place nearly 2 weeks ago. Likewise, in many parts of the Florida where the beaches have been open and packed for over a month, no spike in new cases. These 'idiots' protesting could actually turn out to be useful idiots in that they may end up proving there is no need for strict social distancing and no need to keep supporters out of stadiums.'"


It was 5500 new cases a day Wednesday
It's nearly 9000 cases yesterday !!!

I'll expect some kind of "Fake News" response

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Quote: Egg Chasing "The sponsors are more imperative to whether clubs survive than games going ahead I think. More and more sponsors are appearing on shirts, shorts even socks and every aspect of a matchday seems to carry a sponsor. As you say, we've already lost one sponsor how many more will follow?'"


You dont play the game, you dont have sponsors, but the other way round.

We rely on both and without either it's a worry, but we have to start playing again first.
None of the sponsorship deals will be cashed in of we dont play

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "And this from Salford.

Dear Salford Red Devils Supporter,

Firstly, I would like to start off by thanking you for the overwhelming display of loyalty we have seen during what has been an uncertain period for so many. Without doubt, this has been the most challenging period of my tenure but, because of your loyalty, the club has been able to survive when other businesses have not.

The last time I directly addressed you was near the start of this current crisis, when the season had just been suspended. While there have been far greater problems for many during that period, it has frustrated me that I have been unable to update you further since that point due to the uncertainty which has surrounded our competition and professional sport as a whole.

While details are yet to be confirmed, we are finally able to inform you of the likely timetable for the sport’s return. This is expected to take place in mid-August for a 30th November Grand Final, with players returning to group training a few weeks in advance of this.

I am sure this news comes as a relief for all of us. While there is still a significant wait remaining, we can see a light at the end of the tunnel and can look forward to enjoying the remainder of what was set to be an exciting campaign for our team. I am sure all of you who attended our last fixture were eagerly awaiting the next one, after that outstanding performance.

This return will come with its challenges, as I expect you will all appreciate. Supporters will not initially be allowed into stadiums and, from the moment the players come back for their “mini pre-season”, they will no longer be eligible for the Government’s furlough scheme. This means our main expenditure will be reintroduced, long before we are once again able to raise income through the turnstiles.

This disparity from our usual income already creates a significant financial problem, which is made even more severe by the increased running costs which will be introduced as a result of pandemic-related safety precautions.

Each club is currently bracing itself for a return to training and the reality that they may have to independently fund antigen testing, PPE and regular deep cleans, at a time when these are all in high demand. The estimated monthly cost for this equates to a player’s salary for an entire season, which is clearly a major issue for our club and certainly was not accounted for in the operating budget.

The length of time for which this will continue and the expected date for supporters to make a return to stadiums remains uncertain, although initial plans are targeting late September. At that alarming rate however, the impact on future playing budgets would quickly become catastrophic for a club that is already required to consistently punch above its weight via shrewd acquisitions and cost controls throughout.

Our capacity to make up this difference in budget will also be significantly hampered. The clearest example of this is through the immediate loss of matchday revenue opportunities, but the pandemic’s impact on the wider business community will also limit potential to engage sponsors for next season.

It is therefore essential that those of us who are already behind the club continue to be. I hope that is through physically supporting the team from the stands for as many of the remaining fixtures as possible, but we must face the reality that it is unlikely to be an option for some time. Failing this, we hope that all of you season ticket holders will still be able to enjoy the matches you expected to on television, or through streaming services and we are working hard to achieve this free of charge.

Once we have greater clarity on this, we will write to you once again with information on your options. I must ask though, that everyone continues to honour their commitment to the club, if at all possible, for this season and, in return, we will look to provide the best that we possibly can for our loyal supporters. With new financial burdens placed upon us, we cannot possibly take on further unanticipated economic losses. This would undo the hard work we have done to build in recent seasons and have a disastrous impact on our future both on and off the field.

Myself, DoR Ian Blease, and Coach Watson will make ourselves available for a LIVE RDTV Q&A at 6:30pm on Friday 3 July, in order to answer any burning questions you may have. In the interim, I hope my message is both honest and clear.

I appreciate it is a particularly difficult time for everyone, but if the club is to survive the pandemic, I would ask you please where possible:

• Complete your season ticket direct debits
• Complete your sponsorship commitments
• Join Squad Builder
• Sign up for RDTV
• Buy club lottery tickets
• Buy virtual tickets etc. on virtual match days
• Continue buying club merchandise

Should you have any questions on this, or would like to make submissions for the RDTV Q&A, please contact us at:
Worrying times for all clubs in assorted ways.

That's why EVERY supporter of their club/s should do whatever they can to help.
If money is not possible (and I fully appreciate everyones circumstances) then hows about thinking of other ways to help.
At the very least, try and be positive about the club and get others who may not usually support the club to get in board.
Get em to join the lotto (£1 a week)
Share social media post from the club to friends (not sure how that works etc but you know what I mean).

Be part of the solution, not making more problems!
Quote: Rogues Gallery "And this from Salford.

Dear Salford Red Devils Supporter,

Firstly, I would like to start off by thanking you for the overwhelming display of loyalty we have seen during what has been an uncertain period for so many. Without doubt, this has been the most challenging period of my tenure but, because of your loyalty, the club has been able to survive when other businesses have not.

The last time I directly addressed you was near the start of this current crisis, when the season had just been suspended. While there have been far greater problems for many during that period, it has frustrated me that I have been unable to update you further since that point due to the uncertainty which has surrounded our competition and professional sport as a whole.

While details are yet to be confirmed, we are finally able to inform you of the likely timetable for the sport’s return. This is expected to take place in mid-August for a 30th November Grand Final, with players returning to group training a few weeks in advance of this.

I am sure this news comes as a relief for all of us. While there is still a significant wait remaining, we can see a light at the end of the tunnel and can look forward to enjoying the remainder of what was set to be an exciting campaign for our team. I am sure all of you who attended our last fixture were eagerly awaiting the next one, after that outstanding performance.

This return will come with its challenges, as I expect you will all appreciate. Supporters will not initially be allowed into stadiums and, from the moment the players come back for their “mini pre-season”, they will no longer be eligible for the Government’s furlough scheme. This means our main expenditure will be reintroduced, long before we are once again able to raise income through the turnstiles.

This disparity from our usual income already creates a significant financial problem, which is made even more severe by the increased running costs which will be introduced as a result of pandemic-related safety precautions.

Each club is currently bracing itself for a return to training and the reality that they may have to independently fund antigen testing, PPE and regular deep cleans, at a time when these are all in high demand. The estimated monthly cost for this equates to a player’s salary for an entire season, which is clearly a major issue for our club and certainly was not accounted for in the operating budget.

The length of time for which this will continue and the expected date for supporters to make a return to stadiums remains uncertain, although initial plans are targeting late September. At that alarming rate however, the impact on future playing budgets would quickly become catastrophic for a club that is already required to consistently punch above its weight via shrewd acquisitions and cost controls throughout.

Our capacity to make up this difference in budget will also be significantly hampered. The clearest example of this is through the immediate loss of matchday revenue opportunities, but the pandemic’s impact on the wider business community will also limit potential to engage sponsors for next season.

It is therefore essential that those of us who are already behind the club continue to be. I hope that is through physically supporting the team from the stands for as many of the remaining fixtures as possible, but we must face the reality that it is unlikely to be an option for some time. Failing this, we hope that all of you season ticket holders will still be able to enjoy the matches you expected to on television, or through streaming services and we are working hard to achieve this free of charge.

Once we have greater clarity on this, we will write to you once again with information on your options. I must ask though, that everyone continues to honour their commitment to the club, if at all possible, for this season and, in return, we will look to provide the best that we possibly can for our loyal supporters. With new financial burdens placed upon us, we cannot possibly take on further unanticipated economic losses. This would undo the hard work we have done to build in recent seasons and have a disastrous impact on our future both on and off the field.

Myself, DoR Ian Blease, and Coach Watson will make ourselves available for a LIVE RDTV Q&A at 6:30pm on Friday 3 July, in order to answer any burning questions you may have. In the interim, I hope my message is both honest and clear.

I appreciate it is a particularly difficult time for everyone, but if the club is to survive the pandemic, I would ask you please where possible:

• Complete your season ticket direct debits
• Complete your sponsorship commitments
• Join Squad Builder
• Sign up for RDTV
• Buy club lottery tickets
• Buy virtual tickets etc. on virtual match days
• Continue buying club merchandise

Should you have any questions on this, or would like to make submissions for the RDTV Q&A, please contact us at:
Worrying times for all clubs in assorted ways.

That's why EVERY supporter of their club/s should do whatever they can to help.
If money is not possible (and I fully appreciate everyones circumstances) then hows about thinking of other ways to help.
At the very least, try and be positive about the club and get others who may not usually support the club to get in board.
Get em to join the lotto (£1 a week)
Share social media post from the club to friends (not sure how that works etc but you know what I mean).

Be part of the solution, not making more problems!


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If we have 8k season tickets and everyone has a number each then thats over 400k a year and some might take more than 1. I have upped mine to 3 recently. If there was a big push on it and willingness then it could amount to a mega amount of cash. If we could get 10k wigan fans have 2 a week. A million quid goes a long way.

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Quote: JonnyBroad "If we have 8k season tickets and everyone has a number each then thats over 400k a year and some might take more than 1. I have upped mine to 3 recently. If there was a big push on it and willingness then it could amount to a mega amount of cash. If we could get 10k wigan fans have 2 a week. A million quid goes a long way.'"


Which gets more fan points? Not missing a forum or having the most lotto lines?

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Fans Forum 28.08.08 Fan from Haydock "I've got one word for you Mr Chairman - Penalty Count" [quote="The Daddy"]I've got one word for you all......Steve Hanley[/quote] Some Salford fan said to me and I quote "You are by far and away the most Handsome & Knowledgeable Rugby League Fan in England!" I thanked him and went on my Merry way! RIVERCAVE DWELLER OF THE YEAR 2015! "The club used you last night and didn't tell the truth." Officially one of the 119 Mugs used by the club:icons077e_files/5454-3678dentheman-msnicons.jpg



Quote: Egg Chasing "Which gets more fan points? Not missing a forum or having the most lotto lines?'"


And your point is what?

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