Great post.

It was 2-1 to Saints last season.

And throughout Wane’s tenure we played Saints 17 times. We won 8 and they won 9 of our encounters.

Whats Lams record?

1 season and finishing 2nd. 80 mins from a grand final. Not bad really!

4-0

But it only needs to go to 4-1 for a successful season. As unlikely as it may be....

More likely to happen than if we dont try to get there for fear of failure or lose.

I'm quite prepared for 90% 5-0 of that gives us a %10 chance of 4-1 !!!!

Absolutely right. That’s what this playoff system allows.
I don’t think Lam is the man for us. I think our play and attitude has taken a backward step this season...but if I’m wrong...we win the GF

Don’t think Lam’s done too bad at all considering what he has inherited. Pretty hard to do anything with a pack that couldn’t bust it’s way out of a paper bag.

We lost 2 key players last season from a championship winning team which also went undefeated in the playoffs. Hardly ‘inherited’ a mess did he.
Most SL coaches would give their right nut for that squad.

They were two massive losses though. Imagine going into the next two games with Bateman, Sam and also Sutton in the side. Personally I'd be 10x more confident that we'd win.

Next season is the acid test for Lam. He's got the players that he wanted and had the time to bed with the current squad. I'm personally expecting/hoping to see big changes for next year.

I have had my doubts this season (at one point I was on the Lam out bandwagon), and truth be told I still do. I don’t think anyone really expected a lot this season, even less after our opening few months so to get to a GF would be an achievement. To win it would be a successful season, no doubt about it.

As the poster above has said; next season is the real acid test. The players he wanted and we’ve pretty much bolstered all positions if you count the young ones coming through and the versatility of some of our signings. 2020 is a big, big season and will ultimately set Lam’s future at Wigan and in the game in general.

Big losses yes. But people going on about what he inherited; like it’s a bad squad. When in reality it’s absolutely littered with internationals. Not to mention this season we’ve also recruited Hardaker and French.

He’s got a very good squad.

I had high expectations for this season. Why wouldn’t I or anyone else? Even with losing two stars like Tomkins and Bateman we still had a quality squad with the added addition of Hardaker.

Sad thing is we don’t look good when we play. Honestly; one 80 min complete performance all season. Just one.

I look at how we play...with the words of Lam ringing in my ears of how. He’s going to improve our attack. Add some flair etc. Our attack is way off what it was in 2018.
He has all the person all their to really play some great rugby...no excuses for me.

I didn’t have high expectations, due to the loss of Tomkins and Bateman and the raft of inevitable changes post Wane but whether I/you had high expectations or not is irrelevant really.

In the context of how we’ve played, we’ve had some great spells and looked on fire at times with our attacking display. But it’s also looked poor, clueless and all over the place too. Sometimes all in the same game, so in that respect I do agree with you.

Defensively we’re nowhere near 2018 levels. We’re not moving off the line, failing to put the attacker on his back most of the time or even on the floor sometimes.

But we are also 2nd in the league 80mins away from OT and an unlikely GF win. If our attack and D has been as poor as we’re saying or making out, surely we wouldn’t be here?

It is really rather extraordinary. We’re keen to criticise but the criticism doesn’t stand up when you compare it to where we are and the teams that finished below us.