I'd have to see it mate but, from that description, it doesn't sound like the sort of thing you should go looking for someone to elbow them in the face for. Hard to say without actually seeing it though, of course. To be honest I think yellow for chasing someone down and elbowing them in the face could be seen as a little lenient but fair enough. I've no problem with the Flower red though.

Ah right! Didn't take long did it? And you were doing so well too. Never mind. Goodnight.

Wow they did well to wind the Wigan team up in all 1 minute 50 seconds the game was on before Flower went after hohaia

I'd prefer to say Wigan (or specifically Flower) did badly to get wound up. I think there's little doubt that he DID get wound up though, so I'm not sure what the time on the clock had to do with it. Very unprofessional from Flower.

Quote: DaveO "That is a pretty libellous comment so I'd be careful if I were you. The idea Wane sends his players out to to physically injure players with foul play is idiotic. '" Actually: Instagram.com/p/tmv_xuncIV/

Quote: DaveO "That is a pretty libellous comment so I'd be careful if I were you. The idea Wane sends his players out to to physically injure players with foul play is idiotic. '" Actually: Instagram.com/p/tmv_xuncIV/

this +1

I thought it was common knowledge that Wigan are the greatest evil in the universe since the Galactic Empire under the reign of Emperor Leneghan & Darth Wane. The Saints rebels may have destroyed our Death Star today, but rest assured that barring a miraculous transfer from Leeds, there will be no Ewoks to help them defeat us once and for all.

Quote: Supervegan! "Actually: The thing that annoys me with this is that from the age of 6 these were the exact sentiments expressed by every single coach I have ever played under. Phrases like "smash em", "rip them apart" and "break them" are not unusual and do people really think that in a top game anyone goes out in a rugby game with words of care ringing in their ears from the coach? I can see the England dressing room or even the St Helens dressing room for the internationals/WCC where the coaches are extolling the virtues of not trying to physically dominate and hurt the other side. Good luck beating the Aussies. Then there's the thug/coward phrases. To me these are used for intended malicious play, Flower is guilty of seeing red and stupidly lashing out twice after receiving treatment that could have easily broken his jaw. Not a pre-meditated attack or a sneaky dig with others around which for me fall into the thug and coward category. You would think, on these forums, that not a single one of us has lost their temper and done something stupid. I have seen players gouge, stamp, flying kick and on one occasion smash somebody over the head with their boots having run on from the side line. It doesn't take a great deal of looking on the web to find examples of simple pre-meditated dirty play: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxW2Q63CQSA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj57GvEj2DI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWqvmGddkyw I expect to see Flower get a long ban, Flower will have to live with the sending off which probably cost Wigan the game for the rest of his life. Is he a thug? No. A coward? No. If his stats are anything to go by, that's a yellow card this year before last nights red. Sine Die - don't be ridiculous! www.superleague.co.uk/matchday/player/3237

Quote: Supervegan! "Actually: The thing that annoys me with this is that from the age of 6 these were the exact sentiments expressed by every single coach I have ever played under. Phrases like "smash em", "rip them apart" and "break them" are not unusual and do people really think that in a top game anyone goes out in a rugby game with words of care ringing in their ears from the coach? I can see the England dressing room or even the St Helens dressing room for the internationals/WCC where the coaches are extolling the virtues of not trying to physically dominate and hurt the other side. Good luck beating the Aussies. Then there's the thug/coward phrases. To me these are used for intended malicious play, Flower is guilty of seeing red and stupidly lashing out twice after receiving treatment that could have easily broken his jaw. Not a pre-meditated attack or a sneaky dig with others around which for me fall into the thug and coward category. You would think, on these forums, that not a single one of us has lost their temper and done something stupid. I have seen players gouge, stamp, flying kick and on one occasion smash somebody over the head with their boots having run on from the side line. It doesn't take a great deal of looking on the web to find examples of simple pre-meditated dirty play: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxW2Q63CQSA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj57GvEj2DI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWqvmGddkyw I expect to see Flower get a long ban, Flower will have to live with the sending off which probably cost Wigan the game for the rest of his life. Is he a thug? No. A coward? No. If his stats are anything to go by, that's a yellow card this year before last nights red. Sine Die - don't be ridiculous! www.superleague.co.uk/matchday/player/3237

Fed up of reading Hohaia did this and that. Wane wound them up. Wigan are a disgrace.

Fact is second punch Flower threw when Hohaia was unconcious on the ground was probably the worst incident I have seen in more than 50 years of watching professional Rugby League.

Nobody is disagreeing the second punch was horrendous, it was and he will get what's coming. All I've said and seen others say is Hohaia got what he deserved with the first shot. It's not Flowers fault that Hohaia has a glass jaw, guess it's St Helens glass? If he'd taken it and given one back they'd have both been in the bin.

The punch while he was on the floor was unforgivable, I don't ever want to see that again, not by any player let alone a Wigan player. Again nobody is trying to defend punching a guy on the floor, not at all, I condemn it as much as any other person.

What sickens me about this thread is all the condemnation thrown at Flower which is rightly so and deserved sending off .Just look at all the smiling SAINTS fans in the picture taking delight in HoiHoi throwing his elbow into Flowers jaw.

how do you know they are watching that particular player? It was off the ball so they could have been following play. Looks like a desperate attempt to try to put a 'context' to Flowers sickening thuggery.

Nice sense of humour in defeat, good show.

The first shot was fair game. Man to man plus a coming together just before, I don't think anyone is too irate about that. It's just obviously the second one where flower has taken it to another level.

Definitely, he's lost Wigan the game, he could have potentially caused serious or permanent damage to Hohaia, it's been viewed all around the world by now and doesn't look good for Flower, Wigan and RL in general.

It's a shame as it taken the attention away from a great effort by saints with all their injuries, it's taken away from Wigan effort for 78 minutes with 12 men. The other guys who were on the field don't deserve to be labelled with flower as thugs, there weren't any other incidents in the game.