As opposed to abnormal sizes ?

That's what appeared to be left in the shop yesterday. Certainly wouldn't fit our sylph like figures.

About mid January now. The away shirt has been a massive seller.

Brian wants a shirt small top half, XXL bottom half, one sleeve, extra wide neck hole, and on the back he wants PARR 7.

Now we are only 3 weeks away from the new season does anybody know how many season tickets we have now sold.

Has anyone got their's yet? Leaving it a bit close to the start of the season aren't they?

We don't play at home for 4 weeks. It takes 3 days tops to send something from point a to point b. That's 20 working days.

Yes they're leaving it late. Bl00dy hurry up Wigan, I want my season ticket now so I can misplace it before the start of the season!!!

Doubt they will have sold as many as previous years. The regular season/ridiculous playoffs do dampen the enthusiam. Going to games with it not really mattering if you win or lose makes it a hell of a lot less exciting.

I was buzzing before last years playoff semi with Leeds 'finally a game that matters'

You should get that buzz before 10-15 games a season, not 1 or 2.

Correct

We played Saints 4 times, Leeds 4 times, Wire twice. That's 10 games for a start I got a buzz before. Certainly when the games kicked off, there was no shortage of passion or desire to win.

It is a spectator sport, it doesn't always have to 'mean' something - what about Widnes fans? Do they not enjoy the game because they know they can't win SL?

I got a buzz too - but you'd get a bigger buzz if the result impacted the entire season. Widnes games should matter because A. they want to avoid relegation and B. because that want to improve all the time to be involved in top of the table games and fight for championships.

Did you not think last season was the worst spectacle since SL began? Do you not think its more than a coincidence that it came immediately after Leeds won GF from 5th?

Fans aren't buzzing about reg season games and neither are the players so it was bound to happen. You can't expect to send players out on the pitch top get their bodies smashed, their bones broken and their teeth knocked out when it doesn't matter in the final reckoning?

Anyway i've done this subject to death before. Reduce number of teams in SL to 12, reduce number of teams in playoffs to 4 or 5 and introduce a P&R playoff between bottom team in SL and top team in Championship and it would improve the regular season no end, improve intensity and get more fans through the gates.

And then you would find something else to moan about! Wigan played some great rugby last year and finished top which is a terrific achievement despite what some people say. Ok we didn't win the CC or GF but if you classed winning those as the only measure of a good season then there would only be one or two teams feeling satisfied. A successful sport needs all the teams to feel some sense of satisfaction and enjoyment with the one or teams having the extra satisfaction of winning a trophy.

The rugby I watched from about April to July last season was some of the best rugby i've ever seen Wigan play and that includes the 1987 team and the era from 90-95.

IMO Wigan's 2012 team was our best team of the SL era, beating 1998, 2000 or 2010.

I've said before to mates that even though the GF is the big one, i wouldn't swap the season we had last year for the season Leeds had even though they ended up champs, and if offered it this season, i would take it again over the inconsistent season the Rhinos had.

Around 9,000 sold and that is 2,500 DOWN on last year