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| Quote: Pemps "I don't think even the mighty wire with their elastic cap could have fitted all those in the same team. If they did, I don't think Staples have a big enough supply of brown envelopes.
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| Quote: Albino Wolf "Just an open and genuine question to any of you Wiganers' who have supported your club through the 80's and still do today...........
Did you prefer your days of total dominance or do you prefer these days of intense rivalry and the highs and lows that go with it?'"
I don't think Wigan were totally dominant, at least not until the mid 90s when some teams seem to have given up. Widnes were not a side that any Wigan fan took lightly (!) in the late 80s and Saints were always dangerous - the side they had with Ward in 91 or 92 I think was a very powerful side and pushed Wigan close. Closer still was the season we only won the league on points difference, Wire in particular were very unlucky that year. You had Davies in your side, my favourite non-Wigan player, one of the most naturally gifted rugby players I have ever seen and better than any player currently in your side, or our current side for that matter (with the exception of Tomkins). In the days Widnes were a great side they had class all over the pitch. There were great players at lots of clubs e.g. Schofield at Leeds, whose media persona now tends to overshadow what a great player he was. Leeds were an enigma as they spent huge amounts of money in trying to catch Wigan (and reportedly offering £1m to Will Carling... ) It wasn't just about money, as Leeds showed. Wigan were further ahead in terms of coaching, organisation, fitness and leadership (we had a team full of leaders who seemed to get on despite there being some big egos) but the talent was by no means as concentrated as people make out and our winning margins in big games were often narrower than people now remember. Wigan's champion ethos meant we often seemed to find that extra edge to win big matches but we weren't "totally dominant" until well into the 90s and that period didn't last long.
Do I enjoy it now more than then? When you've seen the likes of Gene Miles and Martin Offiah destroy teams (who says backs can't win matches? ) or the genius of Hanley then that is incredible but watching Kris Radlinski lead an underdog Wigan side to an unexpected and glorious CC win at Murrayfield in 2002 was even better. So yes, if I see Lockers lifting the SL trophy at Old Trafford this year then I will be very, very happy.
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| Quote: Pemps "Too many to list. I can't remember them all
I agree with you about a straight sending off,if its an unprovoked punch. But in hock and Woods case they were retaliating to challenges,clearly LMS instigated the fighting and Ablett slapped Wood in the face.so at worse both sin binned offences and that's it.Hock should never of been sent off in my opinion.
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| Quote: Wire4Life10 "You know i keep forgetting you won 8 in a row when you were the ONLY Professional Team at the time. I just wonder if you will ever do 8 in a row again why every team are full time.....?????????? Thought not
I'd get that memory looked at then or do a bit of research. If you want some clues look at your opponents in the final and a team not to far away from you.
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| You missed your super sub Sam P too Pemps.
Makes you wonder though that if all the clubs had money back then how many more really good Aussie/Kiwi/Islanders could have come over, look, at some of the guys who didn't play for you like Lewis and Meninga.
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| Quote: goobervision "Really? You would have thought the league table would be the judge of that.'"
Well we both finished 1st and 2nd respectively last year,and guess what neither of us got to the GF. so were Leeds the best team because they won the GF and WCC....... Yes
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| Quote: Deano G "I don't think Wigan were totally dominant, at least not until the mid 90s when some teams seem to have given up. Widnes were not a side that any Wigan fan took lightly (!) in the late 80s and Saints were always dangerous - the side they had with Ward in 91 or 92 I think was a very powerful side and pushed Wigan close. Closer still was the season we only won the league on points difference, Wire in particular were very unlucky that year. You had Davies in your side, my favourite non-Wigan player, one of the most naturally gifted rugby players I have ever seen and better than any player currently in your side, or our current side for that matter (with the exception of Tomkins). In the days Widnes were a great side they had class all over the pitch. There were great players at lots of clubs e.g. Schofield at Leeds, whose media persona now tends to overshadow what a great player he was. Leeds were an enigma as they spent huge amounts of money in trying to catch Wigan (and reportedly offering £1m to Will Carling...
I agree with most of this.
Wigan's first league title of that era was in 86/87 when they ran away with it losing only 2 games all year (home and away to Wire ) but then the next few years things were closer. Widnes won the league the next two years, and then Wigan started winning again (when you beat us at Wembley in 1990 you were only winning your second league title at the time, whereas it felt like Wigan had been the top dogs for ages because you were picking up the Challenge Cup every year).
92/93 and 93/94 were titles decided only by points difference. As Deano says it was about Wigan winning games that counted (as in the Cup). 93/94 Wigan were quite out of sorts and really did not have a good season and yet still won the double.
The most dominant Wigan were was 94/95, at this point the rivals were all in a stage of transition and had fallen off the pace and Wigan were probably at their peak (in the post Hanley era), with some great young players coming into the team as well as probably the peak time for the RU recruits. Wigan were well ahead in the Centenary season as well which is why it was a shock how quickly Wigan fell off the pace by two years after that.
As for how strong the rivals were at that time, I agree there were some great players around in those days, but whereas Wigan had class throughout the team, the rivals were too dependent on one or two big guns - Schofield/Hanley at Leeds, Davies at Warrington, Newlove at Bradford. The exception were Widnes when they took a couple of titles in the late 1980s, they were a really good side.
Unfortunately for the game in general, standards took a real nosedive after the Centenary season. A lot of quality players retired, or went back to union/Australia, and the quality of players in the game by the late 1990s was well short of what it had been in the early and mid 1990s.
Wigan nosedived first which is why Saints and Bradford nipped ahead of them, but then the general decline caught up and Wigan's title in 1998 was IMO more a consequence of everyone else slipping too, that Wigan team had some pretty average players in it compared to what had gone before. From around 2000 I think standards started to steadily recover. The Saints and Bradford teams that were dominant in the 2000s were much stronger than the ones that had been winning trophies in the late 1990s.
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| Quote: Pemps "I'd get that memory looked at then or do a bit of research. If you want some clues look at your opponents in the final and a team not to far away from you.'"
Question............
Will you or anyone do 8 in a row again??????????????
WHY NOT............
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| Quote: Wire4Life10 "Question............
Will you or anyone do 8 in a row again??????????????
WHY NOT............'"
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| Quote: Horatio Yed "You missed your super sub Sam P too Pemps.
Makes you wonder though that if all the clubs had money back then how many more really good Aussie/Kiwi/Islanders could have come over, look, at some of the guys who didn't play for you like Lewis and Meninga.'"
Sam Panapa was a great player for us. He played in every position except prop. Can't see many doing that now. I had the pleasure of seeing Meninga a few times playing for Saints but I don't remember Lewis at Wakefield. Peter Sterling and Brett Kenny are 2 that really stand out from the early part of the era we're discussing and they obviously played against each other in the '85 final. Despite our money we didn't really get many top Aussies coming over in their prime.
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| Quote: Wire4Life10 "Question............
Will you or anyone do 8 in a row again??????????????
WHY NOT............'"
I don't know. I think you're wanting me to say 'no' so I will. I'll also appease you by giving the reason that 'There's more competition in the league now'. I'm aware of all that. My issue was with your statement that Wigan were the only professional team in that era.
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| Quote: Pemps "I don't know. I think you're wanting me to say 'no' so I will. I'll also appease you by giving the reason that 'There's more competition in the league now'. I'm aware of all that. My issue was with your statement that Wigan were the only professional team in that era.'"
Indeed. We won most of the 8 in a row before we actually turned professional. It's only missing the we bought up everyone to stop anyone else buying them and we've got a full house in the urban myths about that era.
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