Depends on the termination conditions and payments which have to be Ok'd by the RFL as reasonable and which would need to make sure they didn't go over the cap in the year they related to. You can't just pay players off and not have it effect your cap.

The salary cap year for this season started last November/December and runs for a year up to October/November this year.

Because when Warrington and Hicks parted ways it was under previous salary cap regulations; hence my reference to para 6.1.4 which statesComment to Clause 6.1.4"

I read the comment referring to before receiving any playing services applying to Hicks new contract and therefore no future years salary cap value applied.


The current regulations that Wigan/Leeds Andy is referring to do actually, to my reading, say that any player whose contract is terminated is then removed from the relevant tier of the salary cap (eg not part of the club's salary cap): para 6.1.3 (which if Wigan/Leeds Andy hadn't been too busy being a smart could have read as one para above 6.1.4) states:

"On approval of a Termination Payment referred to in clause 6.1.2 above, the Player’s original Salary Cap Value shall thereafter be disregarded for the purposes of calculating his previous Club’s Aggregate First Tier Liability and/or Aggregate Second Tier Liability."

Strangely it appears that any pay-off may now be levied against the player's new club as para 6.1.3 goes on to say:

"In relation to his new Club (if applicable), the Player’s Salary Cap Value will be calculated as normal in accordance with the Regulations unless, in very unusual circumstances, the transaction is one:

(a) that the RSCM believes, acting reasonably, to operate against the overriding spirit and purpose of the salary cap (as set out in clause 1.1 above), and

(b) where the Player’s new Salary Cap Value is significantly less than it was at his previous Club and/or where the Termination Payment involved in the transaction in question is significantly in excess of the usual tax free termination payment permitted by HMRC (noting clause 1.6 above).

In any such unusual circumstances, the RSCM is hereby empowered to agree a different (higher) Salary Cap Value with the Club in question and, ultimately, in the event that the Club proceeds to register the Player without such agreement, to apply a different Salary Cap Value to the Player at his new Club".


Obviously all the above is subject to ratification by Wigan/Andy Leeds.

I think you will find that Termination Payments do relate to players whose contracts are terminated and covered by the RFL's standard temination agreement. How salary cap values are calculated are irrelevant when the player in question is discarded from the club's first or second tier.

Do you not agree that when a player's contact is terminated in accordance with 6.1.2 and 6.1.3 then they are removed from that's club salary cap calculation? If not then please explain what 6.1.3 means.

So do you agree that if a club was found to be operating against the spirit of the cap then it is an act constituting a salary cap breach and punishable as such? Some others around here seem to think otherwise.

Justin Morgan to be Canberra assistant.
Reet, I'm off to Wembley. Have a great Challenge Cup final weekend lads and lasses. Gerrin to'em Wigan!

Again you completely miss the point. All I've stated is that termination payments count on the cap which you original disputed, and have been proved wrong (again).Termination payments are not salary and will still count on the cap.

I was also the person who had to tell you what happens when players leave clubs during a cap year - I'm well aware when happens, I had to tell you the rules previously remember when you got yourself into a lather when you mistakenly thought Gleeson's salary was still counting on our cap.

Lets say Wigan want rid of Roberts next year and decide to pay him off in January and agree a £50,000 one-off fee. While his whole salary for the cap year will fall off our calculation, the £50k will not, effectively giving us £50k less to play with. As I've had to tell you previously when you sign someone during the year, their cap value is calculated against the entire cap year, so if we signed someone mid-year and pay him £50k for the rest of the year, his cap value is £100k.

Were have I said it wasn't?

That's right I haven't so why bring it up?

The Sun is reporting that we are looking to let some of our youngsters go. They mention Acton, Spencer, Leatherbarrow and Marsh. Though they refer to Acton as a prop and Marsh as a half back so dont know how well to take it.

Under the current rules if a player is not either a first or second tier salary cap player then they do not count in the cap calculations, see rule 3.1.1. Do we agree that?

The salary cap is measured against the aggregate cost "at that time" of respectively the first and second tier players. Do we agree that?

Point me to the specific where it says that a Termination Payment becomes part of the cap if you think your Roberts example is correct.


The rules were different when the Hicks situation arose. How do you explain the Hicks / Monaghan situation where it was commonly reported that Hicks was paid-up to free salary cap space to sign Monaghan?

If Acton does go then I hope he goes to Quins RL, Leatherbarrow hasn't really impressed bar his last game v Salford.

I'd be really disappointed however if Spencer is released, as he has been our stand out prop in this years U20's.

Re 3.1.1 yes their "salary" does not count, but if you read 6.1.3 and 6.2 you'll see that only their "original salary cap value" falls off and that they will only agree payments providing it wouldn't take the team over the cap. Not well written I agree but if you didn't take these things into account it basically lets clubs pay considerably more than the cap value if they wanted to by paying termination payments to release them early and get other people in.

Re Hick as you've shown, that was using different regs, so I don't know the details. But from what I remember Hicks retired didn't he?

Jason Chan to Hudds next year.
Decent signing (for them) IMO

Has stu fielden signed a new deal at Wigan?

He signed a 2 year deal last year.