So a player loses control of the ball it goes forward and hits the ground. The player strikes at the ball with his foot. How high does the ball have to bounce before you give a knock on? or how long do you wait?

Woah! What, less obsessed than checking up how many posts someone has done?

Wait, you haven't got men watching my house have you?

If this intrusion is in reference to my suggestion you'd be cack in a debating team I apologise. You'd be awesome in one. In wigan

I think the difference here is that McGuire knocked on realised and tried to kick it to make it look like he was kicking as Tomkins grabs his arms he was probably going to grubber it through Tomkins gets him and he knocks on and still kicks it and tries to con the referee (like anyone would not taking any moral highground here). The fact is that anywhere else on the pitch if that was checked would also not be given as he knocked on trying to kick due to Tomkins doing his job. Its a massive grey area at the minute but I think a little sense has to be applied. If he had done it 20 metres out then fair enough he could claim he was going for a drop goal and the try should have been given but when hes 5 metres out and it would have taken a miracle to get a drop goal from the angle he was at then its clear that was never his intention and there should be no try given.

Dont forget Sam was cheating and should have been penalised for making a tackle! Leave them to it with Cas and Saints. Clearly we are getting everything our way this season. You only have to look at the penalty counts in games and the number of bans given out whilst identical offences are not charged to see its clear the RFL are in our back pockets. After all Super League needs a strong Wigan

Wow no need to be so touchy, was only joking my friend. You are obsessed with Wigan though, as your profile proves, I dont blame you to be honest, after all we are the most decorative, successful club in the world.

The only real issues here are that:

a. Leeds would have won
b. They were playing Wigan
C. It was Danny M's mistake
d. Sam T tackled him

Remove these variables and no one would be discussing it!

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Nope. No fear at all for Leeds, anyone who can play rugby without getting sucked into a niggle-fest will beat Leeds easily.

That's a new one.

I fear every team. You aren't special enough to be the one I fear most!

It was a knock on, always has always will be. It's a knock on in the amateur game the junior game and the professional game!

You my friend are deluded.

Surely it becomes a judgement call on what the player intended to do, just like whether a player plays the ball or the ball plays him when effecting a tackle decides whether its a knock on or not?

The example you give would be a clear knock-on.

My penny's worth (and I know your all waiting on it with baited breath) is that even given Cumming's "liberal" interpretation of the rules the McGuire incidence was a knock-on as he was not attempting a drop goal; he was looking to grubber through (I can't believe some people on this thread are suggesting he was not committed to a kick through and reacted to droppping the ball - get down to Specsavers if you do) and could not execute the kick correctly due to the pressure he was under. This lead to a hash of the attempted kick and a knock-on occurring.

Right we give in it was a try. Get Mr H to get the table adjusted asap. Dont fear Leeds, your players raised their game twice and took a point! We only showed up for 20mins and your cricket ground car park and half a game at DW.
If and its a big if, we were to fear anyone Wire are the only ones and they are beatable esp if we turn up as did agaisnt Huddersfield!