And for all that smashing of him, how many times has he left the field because of it?
Takes everything given to him and comes back for more, (usually to have the last laugh). Possibly "pound for pound" one of the toughest players in SL. I mean you don't see many 11 stone players get up from being hit hard by a 17 stoner do you?

Huaraki has been hot and cold in a hot and cold team! For the main part Leeds have been totally $hit house! It's unfair to judge the new boys, cross included until the team pulls it's finger out. I think huaraki is quality. As I said I've never been a cross fan

He does cheat, that is fair enough.

Thing is though EVERY SINGLE PLAYER IN THE GAME will try and bend the rules. Sam does show frustration when it is not coming off for him, better to do that than crowd the ref like Sinfield, Burrow or McGuire.

The amount of people getting there knickers in a twist because this youngster is copying the Sinfield trick of holding a players arm (something that has been happening for decades).

I don’t have a problem with poophousing, scrapping or anything of that ilk, because RLs a man’s game and certain men like to hurt other men. I do have real issues with the amount of petty bile that flows through this forum by a bunch of self righteous fairies on here and the VT.
There are grown adults on theses forums making complete bottoms of themselves because the BEST young English player tries it on now and again.
I would be embarrassed to post the cr@p0la that some seem fit to do.

I agree for the most part tomkin is as tough as they come. But hull, wire, Leeds have got in to him and he has been much less effective. With a player with that much talent he's gonna get it more and more. If you can take 25% of his game it helps! I don't think his snide side does him any favours but that's his game far play to the kid. But there is no doubt sl clubs have seen how to beat Wigan! Thanks st George! obviously doing it is a different story as we found out on Friday! If we had a bit more luck we could have beaten you by 20 with half a team! As it happend you showed you champion spirt and took a point! again massive respect

Nar mate the amount of stick newton, cockyane, Todd Flanders, fozzard, bailey, McGuire, sinfield, Webb, morley, Sculthorpe, Cunningham, pryce, Mason have got from you lot and other fans of all clubs is no different from Tomkin(sam)

You are been too precious. It comes with the territory!

That lad Karl Pryce at Quins looks a good prospect. Scored 3 and set the other up against Bradford today. Wonder if he is available?

Nah, got a heart the size of a pea. He only had to fall over to score them. Besides, he looks like he doesn't want to play, just loping around stealing a living. Never a Wigan player. Thank fook we never saw any potential in him and signed him from Union when he was crocked.

You think what Leeds did was effective on him?

Did you see his chip over the top? He moved to 6 in attack and took hold of the game, the Leeds players stood off him.

He ran straight through the line to set up for the kick at the end. They tried to niggle him and he kept coming back at them and Leeds didn't like it. He then kicked the goal to draw the game, do you really think he would have done that if Leeds had 'got in to him'.

From a Wigan POV, the best way to deal with Sam is how wire did. Simply read when he is running around the back and put two men on him and get your centre to cover if he gets the ball away. Easier said than done though.

He made the Leeds team look stupid, Cross, Danny B, Bailey etc. were at him all game, it didn't get to him, this is why we all know and all other fans know he is the hottest prospect this country has seen in the backs for a VERY long time. He will not go hiding when we play Aus, he will win games for England in future because of his ability to deal with the pressure and the niggles. Last season Ablett tried to take his head off, I have seen big forwards go off the field for less than that and he got up.

All the fuss about Tomkins tells me one thing, it is a sign of respect. It is not a player people hate for being an idiot like Bailey or Hock when he returns or even Newton when he hit Long...... Tomkins is a talent and every fan of every other team wishes they had a young player just as good.... if they don't wish that then I dare them to watch what he can do to teams and then come back and tell me the same.

In an ideal world for me our best 17 next year would be:

1. Sam Tomkins
2. Darrell Goulding
3. Matt Cooper - 2 year deal to come and teach Charnley the way, goulding would score another 20+ alongside him. just what we need.
4. Tom Briscoe - 3 years, great player. would love to see him in cherry and white.
5. Pat Richards
6. Brett Finch
7. Tommy Leuluai
8. Stu Fielden
9. Micky McIlorum
10. Paul Prescott
11. Ryan Hoffman
12. Liam Farrell
13. Sean O'Loughlin

14. Gaz Hock
15. Joel Tomkins
16. Lee Mossop
17. Jeff Lima/Harrison Hansen

Tim Smith rumoured to be signing for Hull next year, good signing or not?

All I can remember of his time at Wigan was that he was a fatastic passer but the worst defender I have ever seen.

And then some.

Couldn't tackle a paper bag.

Yep superb in attack blooming awful in defense tim smith he was like a turnstile spinning off tackles lol

Those who hate Sam because "he's a snide, he's a cheat, he's a rat" etc, are newcomers to the game. Pure and simple.

They clearly have no memory of the same pattern existing with Long, with Edwards, with Gregory, with Alex Murphy, etc.

If any of these players had been gash they'd have been ignored, for all their antics. But the combination of attitude and superlative talent made them the huge personalities they were, and made the opposition massively envious (which was the real explanation for the dislike).

They were also hated by the thicker end of the fan spectrum because they were tough enough to ride out the rough and dirty challenges of pantomime villains like Ben Cross - which, given that Cross is big and Sam is small, just doesn't compute to those who'll never understand that's it about more than size, it's also about heart and guts. In truth, Sam is relatively easy going by the standards we're discussing. If Cross had tried that stuff with Andy Greg or Alex Murphy, he'd have been decked.

I'll add Bishop, Woods, Goulding, Miles, Friend, Freeman. All good halfbacks, with the exception of Bishop who was crap and Miles was was a great, who would have given as good as they got within the laws or outside of the laws of the game.