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| Quote: Cruncher "It's quite telling that all of a sudden you're narrowing down the field of those who've defected to proven, top quality players. What, I wonder, is the more damaging - the loss of players like Jason Robinson and Andy Farrell, who really were veterans in RL and had given us their best years, or the loss of players like Chris Ashton, Owen Farrell and Kyle Eastmond, who had all the tools we look for in future stars but will now never know about because they'll be doing it in another sport?'"
I've no idea who Owen Farrell is and Kyle Eastmond has already shown us what he can do, which is why we - that is, Saints fans at the very least - don't want him to go to Union. Players crossing codes when we have no idea what they can do in League is no loss to League. But if Sam Tomkins had decided to go, even though he was still young, you would be upset because you already know how good he is. A player doesn't have to be at the end of his career for his worth to be obvious. But by contrast, someone who has not even shown a hint of his worth yet cannot be experienced as a loss (what you don't know, you don't miss). Ditto for those League players who are average or poor.
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| Quote: SaintsFan "I've no idea who Owen Farrell is and Kyle Eastmond has already shown us what he can do, which is why we - that is, Saints fans at the very least - don't want him to go to Union. Players crossing codes when we have no idea what they can do in League is no loss to League. But if Sam Tomkins had decided to go, even though he was still young, you would be upset because you already know how good he is. A player doesn't have to be at the end of his career for his worth to be obvious. But by contrast, someone who has not even shown a hint of his worth yet cannot be experienced as a loss (what you don't know, you don't miss). Ditto for those League players who are average or poor.'"
2 x comments that indicate to me the rest of you are wasting your time here.
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| Quote: Jukesays "2 x comments that inidcate to me the rest of you are wasting your time here.'"
Beat me to it.
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| Quote: SaintsFan "I've no idea who Owen Farrell is and Kyle Eastmond has already shown us what he can do, which is why we - that is, Saints fans at the very least - don't want him to go to Union. Players crossing codes when we have no idea what they can do in League is no loss to League. But if Sam Tomkins had decided to go, even though he was still young, you would be upset because you already know how good he is. A player doesn't have to be at the end of his career for his worth to be obvious. But by contrast, someone who has not even shown a hint of his worth yet cannot be experienced as a loss (what you don't know, you don't miss). Ditto for those League players who are average or poor.'"
I'm sorry but the bits in bold are utter, utter nonsense. You're not serious, surely?
And as for the comment about Owen Farrell....
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| Quote: Deano G "
And as for the comment about Owen Farrell....
There's no shame in shunning the dark side.
It is a boring sport.
Do you know who Jason Bloom is? No? He is the captain of the current NLL champions.
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| Quote: SaintsFan "I've no idea who Owen Farrell is and Kyle Eastmond has already shown us what he can do, which is why we - that is, Saints fans at the very least - don't want him to go to Union. Players crossing codes when we have no idea what they can do in League is no loss to League. But if Sam Tomkins had decided to go, even though he was still young, you would be upset because you already know how good he is. A player doesn't have to be at the end of his career for his worth to be obvious. But by contrast, someone who has not even shown a hint of his worth yet cannot be experienced as a loss (what you don't know, you don't miss). Ditto for those League players who are average or poor.'"
You are talking that much nonsense that i am actually starting to feel sorry for you. It takes a massive airhead to keep digging deeper like you are doing.
Your recent posts have been devoid of any humor, insight or knowledge whatsoever. Think you are probably best giving it a rest now.
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| Quote: tugglesf78 "icon_lol.gif
Listen she's a WUM. She never has had or ever will have anything positive to say about Wigan RLFC.
She is a "Saddened" Wannabee.
In fact they are welcome to each other.
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| Quote: MattyB "Beat me to it.
And me.
"What you don't know you'll never miss."
So it's okay for future stars to leave the game because SaintsFan - who is pretty uninformed even by Saints fan standards - hasn't heard of them ???
Good grief! Talk about conversation over.
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| Quote: SaintsFan "I've no idea who Owen Farrell is and Kyle Eastmond has already shown us what he can do, which is why we - that is, Saints fans at the very least - don't want him to go to Union. Players crossing codes when we have no idea what they can do in League is no loss to League. But if Sam Tomkins had decided to go, even though he was still young, you would be upset because you already know how good he is. A player doesn't have to be at the end of his career for his worth to be obvious. But by contrast, someone who has not even shown a hint of his worth yet cannot be experienced as a loss (what you don't know, you don't miss). Ditto for those League players who are average or poor.'"
Please, please, please stop digging. I'm actually beginning to get embarrassed for you...
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| The truth is RL can't afford to lose either high profile players or good youngsters. We simply don't produce enough good British players to lose either sort. Just look at our outside backs of recent years. We haven't been raided en masse by Union in part because quite frankly who would you bother spending big money on? Shenton? Ryan Hall? Of the England team of recent years probably only Tomkins and Eastmond in the backs would get a second glance from Union or the NRL.
I think the model Leeds (and Wigan) have started using with respect to young players is a good one. The idea seems to be if they look promising early on, take a risk and offer them a long-term deal with lower upfront costs and higher in later years, but be ready to renegotiate the whole deal upwards if they make it. It means the club is taking a risk by offering a long-term deal to an unproven player (in the case of Hardaker at Leeds, he's signed for 5 years without having played a single SL game); the risk to the player is that the club honours its word to renegotiate the contract upwards if things are working out.
It does suggest a lot of faith in juniors, which hopefully the player will appreciate. It also requires clubs to start thinking about re-signing players long before their contract expires - which should suit both parties. At the very least it maximises the compensation the club would get from union (or the NRL for that matter) if they become really insistent and want to leave.
One other point - every club has plenty of cash to spend on Aussies/Kiwis. They could CHOOSE to spend more of this on youngsters. Most clubs don't.
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| Quote: Phuzzy "Please, please, please stop digging. I'm actually beginning to get embarrassed for you...
What, because I agreed with your Chairman, who I presume does know something about your players? If your Chairman isn't worried about the loss of RL players to Union, given that you seem to be the club leaking most of them, then why should I be?
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| Quote: SaintsFan "
Sorry mate, the conversation's over. After your previous post before this one, you just can't be for real.
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| That Sale signing this morning wasn't Eastmond. You probably all knew that (someone posted earlier that the Sale site listed that there was a new signing being announced this morning)
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| Quote: SaintsFan "which is why we - that is, Saints fans at the very least - don't want him to go to Union. .'"
Quote: SaintsFan " If your Chairman isn't worried about the loss of RL players to Union, given that you seem to be the club leaking most of them, then why should I be?'"
Make your mind up
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| Quote: hula89 "That Sale signing this morning wasn't Eastmond. You probably all knew that (someone posted earlier that the Sale site listed that there was a new signing being announced this morning)'"
Pretty sure that was yesterday mate.
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