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Quote: wigan pie man "depends on the context.

in those days, and much later, we had stand comics telling racist jokes , racist tv programmes, etc etc.

when it came to name calling , racist remarks were the norm.

when kids saw racist names being used on tv programes , they copied.

watch till death us do part??...................c*on, N*g N*g, just 2 things said very week, and we laughed at it.
times have changes since thank god , but the PC brigade go OTT at times imo.

for example.......and i quote Dave S............you cant sing Baa Baa black sheep any more, because its offensive to black people.......so we mess kiids heads up by singing Baa baa RAINBOW sheep ......you ever seen a rainbow sheep?????
RAINBOW SHEEP cant offend anyone?..........i think you'll find it can......theres no Black in a rainbow claiming the pc brigade is ott is just veiled racism imo!

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Quote: wigan pie man "depends on the context.

in those days, and much later, we had stand comics telling racist jokes , racist tv programmes, etc etc.

when it came to name calling , racist remarks were the norm.

when kids saw racist names being used on tv programes , they copied.

watch till death us do part??...................c*on, N*g N*g, just 2 things said very week, and we laughed at it.
times have changes since thank god , but the PC brigade go OTT at times imo.

for example.......and i quote Dave S............you cant sing Baa Baa black sheep any more, because its offensive to black people.......so we mess kiids heads up by singing Baa baa RAINBOW sheep ......you ever seen a rainbow sheep?????
RAINBOW SHEEP cant offend anyone?..........i think you'll find it can......theres no Black in a rainbow
Racism at rugby and football games has always been unacceptable, as it is anywhere else.

The people that shouted abuse at black players (including kids) where just idiots and i remember attending both football and rugby games in the 80s and thinking that then.

I know i wasnt the only one to think that and i certanly never thought of it as being 'normal' or acceptable.

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Quote: dany1979 "Racism at rugby and football games has always been unacceptable.

The people that shouted abuse at black players (including kids) where just idiots and i remember attending both football and rugby games in the 80s and thinking that then.

I know i wasnt the only one to think that and i certanly never thought of it as being 'normal' or acceptable.'"


Unacceptable to a lot of us, yes, but pieman is correct, it was a lot more acceptable in society as a whole back then. Even the BBC would quite happily show Bernard Manning, for example, or, as already mentioned, "Till death do us part".

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Quote: SLIMply the best "claiming the pc brigade is ott is just veiled racism imo!'"


er sorry mate? correct me if im wrong...but are you calling me a racist??

imo the PC brigade are OTT.......banning nativity plays in case they upset muslims., banning nursery rhyms which are part of our culture and heritage, not wanting to declare st georges day a holiday (government, not pc brigade, but endorsed by them..come on mate...get real.

ive said previously that racism is unnacceptable.now which bit of that isnt sinkking in and ill try using shorter words if it helps...

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Quote: Geoff "Unacceptable to a lot of us, yes, but pieman is correct, it was a lot more acceptable in society as a whole back then. Even the BBC would quite happily show Bernard Manning, for example, or, as already mentioned, "Till death do us part".'"


thank you Geoff....your spot on.
black and white minstrel show was another........peak time viewing on a saturday evening, as was The Comedians

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Quote: wigan pie man "er sorry mate? correct me if im wrong...but are you calling me a racist??

imo the PC brigade are OTT.......banning nativity plays in case they upset muslims., banning nursery rhyms which are part of our culture and heritage, not wanting to declare st georges day a holiday (government, not pc brigade, but endorsed by them..come on mate...get real.

ive said previously that racism is unnacceptable.now which bit of that isnt sinkking in and ill try using shorter words if it helps...'"



Dont worry pal, these tree huggers love nothing better than stifiling debate and what better way of doing it than peddling the old racist card out. Over the past 10-20 years these nutters have graduly eroded parts of our culture in this manner as people have become fearfull of falling foul of the new era of sandal wearing, yogurt knitting loonies.

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Quote: SLIMply the best "claiming the pc brigade is ott is just veiled racism imo!'"


I do hope that that comment was just a trolling attempt.

The "PC Brigade" is WAY over the top, and just about every normal person knows and accepts that.

Banning "Baa Baa Black Sheep" was and remains a disgraceful abuse of so-called powers.
What about councils that ban employees from wearing crosses?
Re-branding "Christmas lights" to "holiday lights"?

And can anyone tell me why/how it is acceptable to have a "Black Policeman's Association", but the BNP was told that it's membership policy was too restrictive and MUST be changed by law?
(Not that I condone or agree with the BNP - Just making a point)

Until people in power stop trying to manipulate the entire population's thoughts and let us get on with self-regulation (which works far better than anything they can impose), it will remain a joke and will create more situations than it can ever hope to resolve.

People are far too willing to take offense at almost anything now, just for the sake of it.

Whilst I agree that racism is unacceptable and needs to be tackled, other forms of so-called "racism" (calling Liverpudlians "Scousers", Scottish people "jocks", etc.) are laughable, but have been targetted recently by our government.

Anyway, I'll get down from my high-horse now.

I just think that we need to forget all the political correctness cr@p and just get back to common decency.
If the idiots in the South Stand (or anywhere else) are chanting racist/IRA-related songs, they need to be told - Not just moved away from - And as for throwing ANYTHING on to the pitch, be it beer, coins or anything else - I hope the club find them and ban them for at least 5 years.

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Quote: Pie Eyed "

Whilst I agree that racism is unacceptable and needs to be tackled, other forms of so-called "racism" (calling Liverpudlians "Scousers", Scottish people "jocks", etc.) are laughable, but have been targetted recently by our government.'"


Well let me tell you!!!

You want to try being a scotsman who has lived in Wigan for the last 20 years!!

The way people mocked me for wearing a skirt whilst throwing telgraph poles around had a lasting effect.

People would hound me for refusing to part with my hard earned cash by offering to purchace a round of drinks and constantly made jibes about my pet Haggis (hamish, if your interested).

Some people can be so hurtful icon_wink.gif

Mind you using the term F.R.I.S.P makes me giggle everytime

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I feel your pain Tuggles.

Spending about 50% of my first 16 years growing up in the borders region, I have a lot of friends from North of the border.

I am still referred to as the sassenach (sp?) when speaking to them.

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You should meet my 88 year old mother.

If you're in conversation with her about someone from Billinge, she will always ask "Is he/she a Billinger or a settler"?

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Ginger haired Jock , Sorry Scot from Edinburgh taken a lot of abuse in my time "But i dont care"

PS Tuggles regards to Hamish

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Quote: Edinburgh Warrior "Ginger haired Jock , Sorry Scot from Edinburgh taken a lot of abuse in my time "But i dont care"

PS Tuggles regards to Hamish'"


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Where exactly has Baba black sheep been banned? I have never found anywhere that has banned it, I know there is another version of Baba to do with a rainbow sheep but that hasn't replaced that black sheep version(s)

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Its banned in nurserys and schools. Instead you have to sing baa baa woolly sheep icon_rolleyes.gif

You can't even call dinner ladies dinner ladies anymore...you have to refer to them as lunch time assistants

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Quote: saturday nite fever "Its banned in nurserys and schools. Instead you have to sing baa baa woolly sheep It isn't banned in any school I have worked in and the nursery my son is at were singing baba black sheep when I picked him up before.

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