And you saying I talk bolllox was real highbrow stuff too. Anyway, nice way to avoid the question. I repeat, how can you talk about core support for a game played in Doncaster? I also asked "How many of the superior (by 800 odd) attendance are likely to get involved in British RL as regular spectators of the game at club level?" and "How has playing that game in London benefitted the core support of the sport?". Still thinking about it, are you?

My point was that I disagreed with taking the best game of the comp down south. You seem to think it was justified because 800 more turned up than in Doncaster to watch a no contest game, an argument I find baffling.

If I'm wrong, please explain why.

So you were the only one who had to resort to name calling them - thanks for clearing that up.

There's no question to avoid in the first place as you argument as proved by your Donny might as be at the other side of the world stance is basically if it isn't on my doorstep it's a disgrace, etc, etc. Since when did the first game in a tournament become a no contest game by the way?

The core support is being "benefited" enough with the number of games it is getting, including the final.

However the core support has shown its true colours by being unable to get off its backside and fill a 25,000 stadium for the biggest game of the tournament for the "indigenous" team.

Think/hope the Moon will be open from 9ish(?) as we're getting in Wigan for half 10, Walkabout opens at 12 for Aussie baiting.

I didn't have to, but chose to. Now [ithat[/i is cleared up. If you view that as a moral victory, congratulations.



These are not my words. Kindly do not attribute them to me. However, you are still avoiding the point. What were the reasons or benefits in taking that game to London? I have repeatedly told you why I disagreed. If you are sticking with your contention that the fact that 800 ish more people turned up, so be it.



Fair enough. Everyone's entiltled to an opinion. At least you have now answered!



You are pre-judging here. Plus, if only 22,000 turn up at Wigan, is this justification for playing Aus v Kiwi in London in front of less than 13K, hardly any of whom are actual supporters of British RL? Maybe for you, but not for me.

No need for me to claim a moral victory, I didn't have to resort to name calling because my argument was so weak in the first place.



What was it you said about DonnyHow can you talk about core support and quote figures for an attendance in Doncaster FFS'"

Waffle all you want Andy. You have still failed to demonstrate how this decision is good for our game or benefits the people who contribute most, i.e. northern based spectators. If your argument now is that it was correct because Aussies and Kiwis live in London, why didn't you say so in the first place?

I want a couple minutes of my life back after reading the last couple of pages

No need to waffle I've given numerous reasons but you keep ignoring them as you seem to think the point of an international RL tournament is to benefit people based in the north of England who can't be d supporting their own team in the first place.



My first post on this threadThe diehard fans of the two teams that played are 200 miles aways.'"

It usually helps a discussion if you actually bother to read what the other person has written rather than make it up yourself. If you'd bothered to read the very first post you could have saved yourself a lot of embarrassment. Although even now you have to try and deflect the fact you had to resort to name calling speaks volumes.

Where have I been "generally insulting the RL following public at large"?

Do you think France should be playing NZ in northern England too?

Why on earth would I think that? For the fixture to do any good for French RL it should be played in France, preferably in their heartland. Actually, it would have been more beneficial to have played Aus v Kiwi there too rather than play in London. The gate would probably have been comparable and it would have at least had a chance of boosting the sport, whereas playing in London does little more than boost the RFL's ego IMO.

No labouring on my part you're the one who brought it up again - maybe to save face as you realise you made a mistake.

If I knew you were so delicate that "can't be d" was going to upset you so much I'd have used "can't be bothered" - would that be insulting to the general RL public too?

I'm not trying to save face Andy. Who hasn't made a mistake?

I just generally feel that the RFL hasn't given the best opportunity to watch the best games to those who IMO deserve it most. I would imagine there are many up here who would have loved to go to see Aus v Kiwi. They may well still get the chance but it isn't a foregone conclusion, esp with them drawing that first fixture. You have a different view in that a gate of around 22000 at DW would be an indication of indifference. I don't view it that way.