I can assume giving Coley and Pryce new contracts for next year was Lenagans decision as Noble could surely not be involved in forward planning given that IL knew he was replacing him. We could have got rid and used these players salaries to bring in someone half decent, however,
If the new coach was involved in these decisions then gawd only knows what is in store for us.

Nope, we got done for that the time breach of the 'spirit' they reserve some clauses in there to do you for basically anything they feel like if you read it.

But the assumptions thing is bang on right, if you assume a player will play in 18 qualifiying matches (that's what the rules tell you to do) and he plays in 24 and gets an appearance bonus for all 24, only the 18 count on the cap not the extra 6.

"Comment to Clause 5.3.2: Where the Salary Cap Value of a Player has been calculated (in whole or in part) on the basis of a number of assumptions about the notional value of certain payments or other benefits Accruing to the Player in that Salary Cap Year, it is possible that, in that Salary Cap Year, that Player may actually Accrue either: (a) less than his Salary Cap Value (if, for example, he gets injured and does not play as often as had been expected and/or the Club does not win as many games as had been expected); or (b) more than his Salary Cap Value (if, for example, he plays more games than expected and/or the Club wins more games than Operational Rules – Section E1 – Super League Salary Cap Regulations – Issue 6 – February 2008
SALARY CAP REGULATIONS
expected). In neither case would this have any impact upon the calculation of that Player’s Salary Cap Value for that Salary Cap Year."

Yes they seem to make things up as they go along to be perfectly honest

And be a lot less than the Australian cap, who also have a 'minimum cap spend'

Apart from giving away too many penalties I'm not sure why you wanted want Coley re-signed. Pryce on the other hand

Dont forget Sean Long as well.

The accursed rules live here for anybody bored enough: www.therfl.co.uk/~therflc/client ... on%20E.pdf

The accursed rules live here for anybody bored enough: www.therfl.co.uk/~therflc/client ... on%20E.pdf

Why do we always end up poles apart, we always seem to end up at both ends of the spectrum, maybe it is because we are passionate about the club and want the best for it, at least that is what i hope it is born out of.

Seems to me the whole Noble, Lenagan debate simply polarises opinion and brings out some ludicrous statements from fans or supporters/and people who dislike them.

I am sure the truth is much more grey than black and white where we always seem to end up.

Both men have done good things and made mistakes in there time at Wigan, but that is to be expected. Noble while not a fan of his coaching has stabilised the club in a rough period and we now have a solid foundation on which to build, funnily enough in my opinion IL has done the same.

My opinion is that IL has done more right than wrong as has Noble but Noble's limitations have been more evident than IL's partly because they are to do with the team and on display week in week out.

IL both his successes and failures are not always in the public display BUT i feel he was dealt a shocking hand when he took over the club and has but a lot of things right, more than he has got wrong, but he has too made mistakes.

Ego's often pitch us against each other on here, fuelled by passion for the club and it usually makes entertaining reading, i think the BN and IL debate though as i said earlier brings out the worst in all posters as it has been covered that many times and the same points come up time and time again we go round in circles and the only place to go to is extremes.

Either way I wish BN all the best thank him for taking us through a transitional period which we finally seem able to come out of, and IL I feel is the right man to lead us out of this period and bring success back to a club that so desperately needs it.

Very well put jonh

Good post Jonh

Yes it was a good post. The only part I disagree with is the 'entertaining reading' bit.
It's alright to disagree. I think Noble should go but I have friends who wished he would stay. We are both entitled to our opinions and we both have the good of the club at heart.

Its the best part of forums like this..i like reading other peoples opinions and there take on matters.

I know 100% everyone who uses this board as the best for the club at heart..But some need to learn not to take offence to differing opinions to there own.

The reason we aren't making any signings for next year [imo] is that we haven't got enough room for a top class aussie, a decent one yes. But in a years time when we have Fielden et al. off the cap then the 1 or 2 TOP CLASS signings will hopefully be brought in.

If we were to try and sign a top class aussie now then we'd have to release a couple of the young lads who probably could and should make the first team soon, or we'd have to settle for a non-world class aussie who people would then moan and moan about saying "why did lenegan sign him rather than a top class player".

OR for the sake of a year, do we keep together a team thats done very well results wise for the 2nd half of the season, allow the new coach to come in, decide who he wants to keep and who he wants in, and then allow him the flexibility on the cap to sign the 1/2/3 top class players as well as keeping all the promising youngsters and bringing more of them into the team.

I agree, i just think it has been done to death and all the good points for and against have been done to death and now we end up with nowhere to go but descending into petty arguing and exaggeration much of the time, opinions on both sides are somewhat often clouded, opposing opinions are great it makes life interesting how dull would it be if we all agreed, i just think this topic has been done to death and we are now at the point of extremes rather than looking at the issue rationally.

Yeah but lets not forget with players like Fielden, Bailey etc on big wages from the last regime the purse strings have been tight.

To be fair Riddell, Roberts and Gleeson are relatively big name signings its just a shame that none of them have lived up to any of their expectation on the pitch. As I said in my previous post if we are to be successful Lenegan and the new coach have to get the signings right at the end of next season when Fieldens contract finishes.

With Gleeson that's not through lack of trying and towards the latter half of the season Roberts has got it I reckon next year he will show us what he can do but Riddell has shown me nothing to get exited about so far, next year with a new coach a leaner fitter Riddell might change my mind.