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| rlhttps://www.walesonline.co.uk/rugbynation/rugby-news/2009/09/15/john-dixon-takes-on-new-rugby-league-coaching-job-in-australia-91466-24691975/rl
John Dixon gone back to AUS
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| Quote: Cruncher "How do you know?
I ask the question because there are strong rumours that this isn't the case at all. That Noble has been looking for some time, and that the delay is down to him making a choice.'"
Well the fact is I don't know and neither do you, both of us are going off rumors we've heard.
I would say Noble has not been told because of what both he and Lenegan have said in the past, such as Lenegan deciding Nobles future on results and how the season pans out, well seeing as this season isn't finished yet it seems that this may still apply. Likewise with Noble every time it's been mentioned to him he says he's heard nothing yet and is still waiting for an answer, that's why I would say Noble doesn't know what's going on.
Anything Noble has done in the past is irrelevant all that matters is who are next coach is and whether he's the best man for the job.
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| Quote: wiganrlforever "rlhttps://www.walesonline.co.uk/rugbynation/rugby-news/2009/09/15/john-dixon-takes-on-new-rugby-league-coaching-job-in-australia-91466-24691975/rl
John Dixon gone back to AUS'"
Just north of Brisbane. He'll be coaching Queensland Cup.
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| Quote: AJ "IMO yes, Kearney was clearly a target we failed to get, rumours have been rife about McGuire from a whole manner of media types, even where one said he had been interviewed, so at no time has Wane been first choice. Who mentioned lies? You do love to exaggerate your point dont you, although you failed to mention DW in this one. Id hardly call the statement vague, its pretty to the point imo.
Well, what do you expect, you do more than enough cheerleading for the positive bunch
We do agree that McGuire would be a better choice. And if I'm pushed on it, I too would be disappointed - after all the speculation - if we finished up with someone honest but untried like Shaun Wane when the alternative might have been an NRL chap.
My argument is that I don't think he'd be the worst option for ust. I'd love him to be involved in the higher echelons of our coaching set-up, whatever happens with the top job.
We always seem to be crossing swords on here, AJ, and I reiterate that it's nothing personal. Most points you make I agree with wholeheartedly. Same with Dave O. But I just feel that there is traditionally too much negativity from the Wigan fans. We've had this for so long (even Mo got it during the glory days), and now, online, you can actually see it happening again. A snowball effect builds up. People start casting doubt on someone's ability and/or honesty, and the next thing you know it's become a landslide of opinion which, if unjustified, could potentially be damaging. We've already got people like Love To Spooge, in one breath asking what's going on, and in the next stating unequivocally that IFL has been unprofessionally stringing Noble along (without any evidence at all). Comments like that, aired on a public forum, are unlikely to create harmony. They may even be libellous.
In IFL we've got a top businessman who's also a fanatical Wigan fan. That's ideal, IMO. Okay, he has made some errors of judgement, and I too am a little concerned about the apparent unwillngness to spend big (though I still wonder if that's partly down to the previous regime's wage structure). But I don't think the guy's been given long enough to prove himself yet, and I dread him getting cheesed off because a tide of opinion is trying to rise against him which seems to be based on very little.
If I seem to be over-defensive about it, I just want to stem this latest wave of hostility - at least until we've seen what IFL can (or can't ) do in the role of Wigan CEO.
I assure you, I have Wigan RL's best interests at heart.
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| Quote: LovesToSpooge "Well the fact is I don't know and neither do you, both of us are going off rumors we've heard.
I would say Noble has not been told because of what both he and Lenegan have said in the past, such as Lenegan deciding Nobles future on results and how the season pans out, well seeing as this season isn't finished yet it seems that this may still apply. Likewise with Noble every time it's been mentioned to him he says he's heard nothing yet and is still waiting for an answer, that's why I would say Noble doesn't know what's going on.
Anything Noble has done in the past is irrelevant all that matters is who are next coach is and whether he's the best man for the job.'"
For me this is the point, some seem to be demanding answers and have made there mind up on what has happened and who knows what already, while others like myself are happy to let this season run its course and then judge on how the coaching position has been handled when it is announced and concluded, not midway through the process.
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| I have no problem at all with not knowing the coaching situation for next season right at this minute but i hope it's all sorted and ready to be revealed literally at the earliest opportunity after we get eliminated from the play offs.
If we go out this Sunday i hope theres a press conference called for Monday to clear the situation up and if needs be let everyone know who the new coach will be.
If that doesn't happen then why not? We surely can't still be making our minds up as to wheather Noble is staying or not and who's taking over.
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| Quote: Cruncher "We do agree that McGuire would be a better choice. And if I'm pushed on it, I too would be disappointed - after all the speculation - if we finished up with someone honest but untried like Shaun Wane when the alternative might have been an NRL chap.
My argument is that I don't think he'd be the worst option for ust. I'd love him to be involved in the higher echelons of our coaching set-up, whatever happens with the top job.
We always seem to be crossing swords on here, AJ, and I reiterate that it's nothing personal. Most points you make I agree with wholeheartedly. Same with Dave O. But I just feel that there is traditionally too much negativity from the Wigan fans. We've had this for so long (even Mo got it during the glory days), and now, online, you can actually see it happening again. A snowball effect builds up. People start casting doubt on someone's ability and/or honesty, and the next thing you know it's become a landslide of opinion which, if unjustified, could potentially be damaging. We've already got people like Love To Spooge, in one breath asking what's going on, and in the next stating unequivocally that IFL has been unprofessionally stringing Noble along (without any evidence at all). Comments like that, aired on a public forum, are unlikely to create harmony. They may even be libellous.
In IFL we've got a top businessman who's also a fanatical Wigan fan. That's ideal, IMO. Okay, he has made some errors of judgement, and I too am a little concerned about the apparent unwillngness to spend big (though I still wonder if that's partly down to the previous regime's wage structure). But I don't think the guy's been given long enough to prove himself yet, and I dread him getting cheesed off because a tide of opinion is trying to rise against him which seems to be based on very little.
If I seem to be over-defensive about it, I just want to stem this latest wave of hostility - at least until we've seen what IFL can (or can't ) do in the role of Wigan CEO.
I assure you, I have Wigan RL's best interests at heart.
Do you think a dozen or so disgruntled posters on here equates to a wave of hostility? I would hope that IL behaves like most other pros I have talked to about forums (fora?) such as these in that he either understands that they make up a small minority of the supporter base - or he does the best thing of all and steers well clear.
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| Quote: jinkin jimmy "Do you think a dozen or so disgruntled posters on here equates to a wave of hostility?'"
Is it that many?
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| Quote: jinkin jimmy "Do you think a dozen or so disgruntled posters on here equates to a wave of hostility? I would hope that IL behaves like most other pros I have talked to about forums (fora?) such as these in that he either understands that they make up a small minority of the supporter base - or he does the best thing of all and steers well clear.'"
You're probably right. But it would be a pity if the only effect it had was to stop him posting on here. I know he doesn't post that often, but I think he posts more than most chairmen.
I agree. I don't think he's shown any sign of being cheesed off yet, and he seems able to deal with hecklers at the Fans Forums.
Perhaps I've been labouring the point too much.
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| I don't think it's hostility, just severe disappointment. This season promised so much, yet once again the fans have been let down. Unacceptable defeats, half-hearted individual and team performances, Hock letting the team down, the lack of any news on the coach front, the lack of any news on the signings front, the lack of any news on us forming a partnership with an NRL club, the lack of silverware (can't see us doing anything spectacular in the play-offs). It all adds up and only serves to frustrate everyone involved...
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| Quote: Madderzahatter "I don't think it's hostility, just severe disappointment. This season promised so much, yet once again the fans have been let down. Unacceptable defeats, half-hearted individual and team performances, Hock letting the team down, the lack of any news on the coach front, the lack of any news on the signings front, the lack of any news on us forming a partnership with an NRL club, the lack of silverware (can't see us doing anything spectacular in the play-offs). It all adds up and only serves to frustrate everyone involved...'"
But...the good news is that rugby league exists. About 8 years ago the famous Jack dot Dearden said the game was dying.
It's good to watch, it's good to talk about. We've just got to take the rough with the smooth.
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| I don't understand why anyone would see Wane as the best option over an NRL coach.
I see the point being made about McGuire. Is he a top NRL coach? No, but I think he could do a great job here. Noble is apparently the finished article and so was Millward and so are many coaches who we have had but I would like to see a coach come to Wigan with new ideas and with pressure on him to make his career at Wigan.
I think the head coach job is way overated as well! Obviously it is a huge part of which direction a team goes, but in terms of players being settled into the team, and into the whole club, I think making sure the whole staff team is really strong is more important, which is why I always make a point that we need many previous players involved. IMO we need Radlinski, Lam, Farrell, O'Conner.... the list could go on. They can teach the players "the Wigan way" and also help players in individual roles. The head coach should overlook this whole operation and obviously have the main input but I think we need past players to coach different areas. Simple idea but one which I think could be very effective.
I still do not understand this urgency to know the situation, we are still in this season, when this season has finished then I would like to know ASAP, but untill then I am shouting on NOBLE (our first team coach for those who had forgotten) and the lads hoping we can have a great end to THIS SEASON.
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| I don't tend to watch a lot of NRL so wouldn't mind some input here from NRL fans before I make my mind up on McGuire.
I've looked at the table and seen that Melbourne are 4th. Is this good/bad for them or as expected? I know a couple of years ago they were awesome.
With regards Wane, I think this would be the cheap and easy option much like re-signing Coley was and the likely re-signing of Phil Bailey will be.
I like Wane and would hope he does a good job but are we really saying he's better than Noble? So not only does our playing squad look weaker next year the coaching situation looks like it might follow the same route.
Let the mediocrity continue.
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| Quote: Woody_woody "I don't tend to watch a lot of NRL so wouldn't mind some input here from NRL fans before I make my mind up on McGuire.
I've looked at the table and seen that Melbourne are 4th. Is this good/bad for them or as expected? I know a couple of years ago they were awesome.
With regards Wane, I think this would be the cheap and easy option much like re-signing Coley was and the likely re-signing of Phil Bailey will be.
I like Wane and would hope he does a good job but are we really saying he's better than Noble? So not only does our playing squad look weaker next year the coaching situation looks like it might follow the same route.
Let the mediocrity continue.'"
Melbourne haven't looked their dominant force this year at all, the loss of Folou to the Bronco's didn't help them as he was a huge player for them im the backs. Also early in the season they didn't have a halfback which is where they signed Parramatta's scrum half. Ironically St George and the Bulldogs who both finished near the bottom last year have finished 1st and 2nd, and I don't think it's any coincidence as such that since Wayne Bennett has taken over at St George that they have done well this year, the team didn't change to much from last year and it is also noticeable that the Bronco's aren't the same team this year without Bennett there. Last years winners Manly have struggled this year, again the loss of Beaver didn't help them I don't think and with all the stuff that went on before the season started as regards to Brett Stewart. The team for me to look out for over the next 3/4 years in the NRL to progress higher are the Bunnies.
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| Assistant yes but not head coach.
And if we believe any of the specualtion then he would get the job because we could not secure other targets for the position which would be disapointing.
I still favour an Australian coach with NRL expierience and Mcguire seems well respected down under, hope we get him.
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