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| As Tony Smith always say, the media always blow things out of proportion. Chances are, it is nowhere near 300k. But, if it is then why are we arguing? We have the money to spend with plenty to spend. We are set to lose 3 high players at the end of the season, which will free space on the cap.
Whether he is worth all of this "300k", only time will tell. But, Tony Smith has obviously had his eye on him for some time and obviously genuinely thinks that Myler will be that half back that we need in the squad with Monas moving to 9.
He may well be the worst signing in our history, but a full pre-season with Smith and our coaching staff could make him one helluva player come the 2010 season. But eh who knows.
In Smith We Trust.
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| Quote: Odemwingie "If you cannot see the difference between spending big money on Fielden and spending big money on Myler you are just plain stupid.'"
You still dont get it do you?
It's not the clubs money, its Simon Morans. He can spend it how he sees fit if he wants to
Its a transfer fee, makes bugger all difference to the salary cap.
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| Quote: DaveO "You don't half know how to re-write RL history. I think you will find Widnes and Leeds were hardly averse to splashing the cash as you put it and had varying degrees of success when they did. Leeds failing spectacularly first singing up Hull's star players like Crooks and Schofield and then going after some of Wigan's.
Can’t disagree there with you Widnes had success compared to youselves, but didn’t have an endless pot of funds like Wigan, the rest is history with Widnes. Leeds on the other hand couldn’t put it together.
The difference was Wigan were innovative off-field not just in terms of going full time (which only happened in 1991/92 season by the way) but by employing specialist sprint coaches and so on. We also produced many of our own players.
You may have well only employed specialist coaches in 91 but you were already half way through your successful decade at that point. I was at Central Park in 87 when you defeated Manly and had a team full of Brits but they weren’t all home grown. Players like Joe Lydon, Andy Greg I suppose Wigan born but you still paid top dollar for them
It is however much easier for people like you to ignore all those facts and say basically we bought success. Leeds proved you need more than money to have success. Whether there is that sort of off-field organisation Wigan had back then currently at our club now I have my doubts given the way some players look and play. I remember signing McInty from Wire and seeing him improve here which was not a coincidence. Now the opposite seems to be the case when players leave.
The lure of the cash took a few of the Wire players move over to Wigan, either already GB internationals or on the verge of and within a short period they were selected for GB. I am not saying they were any better for Wigan just that they had a more balanced/better team around them. Success breads success and Wigan could afford the pick of the best off field coaches and backroom staff. You say the opposite is happening, well IMO that is a fault of your previous management team expecting success you have let numerous talented youngsters go because you wanted the big names in.
If I was to ask any Wiganer who remembers that decade there were many big name Aussies and Kiwis/All Blacks who played and they wouldn’t come cheap. In the modern game with the salary cap that would not be possible
So we can all spend the same money up to the limit of the cap but just like Leeds spent at least as much as Wigan if not more that won't mean the trophies are equally shared out hence the recent dominance of Leeds and Saints.
I know Wire can't break a live cap just as Wigan can't and there may have been loopholes exploited by the likes of Wire and Saints but if there were, you should be in favour of them being closed as you seem so fond of a level playing field.
Touchy one this because the Wire have never been guilty of breaking the cap unlike yourselves and others and these rumoured loopholes maybe you could explain more
Maybe you were thinking of Janathan Davies, now that was a good piece of business for the Wire.
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| Quote: Orrell Lad "Some green eyes here. If IL had announced we'd signed Myler for 300k out of his own pocket I doubt anyone would be calling it bad business.
Maybe we should be looking at our own lame recruitment before casting a critical eye on others...'"
Exactly.
Atkins & Myler would improve our team, are English and I struggle to understand a) how Warrington can afford more top players and b) why once again we dont seem to even have an interest.
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| Quote: AJ "Exactly.
Atkins & Myler would improve our team, are English and I struggle to understand a) how Warrington can afford more top players and b) why once again we dont seem to even have an interest.'" Very simple. So far this year we have released Gleeson and Reardon. Mathers is in, as is Carney (who probably won't be with us next year).
I would think we have some money free from Gleeson's salary.
Add to this the fact that we could easily release the likes of Johnson and Rauhihi, and there is free income.
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| Quote: Dave T "Very simple. So far this year we have released Gleeson and Reardon. Mathers is in, as is Carney (who probably won't be with us next year).
I would think we have some money free from Gleeson's salary.
Add to this the fact that we could easily release the likes of Johnson and Rauhihi, and there is free income.'"
I can absolutely see where the money is coming from this year, how you managed to get under it with the squad you had at the start of the season is another thing, but we don't know the ins and outs etc etc.
I still think we cannot be judged as a squad until we get Fielden et al off the wages they are on. Fieldens wage is that of a World Class player, our squad would look 10x better if Fielden was someone like Peacock, who wouldn't be on anymore money.
The pack looks weak, and the squad looks weak, because Fielden is weak but taking up a massive wage. There are others as well, but i don't think anywhere near as many as when Mo was about.
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| Quote: inside_man "I can absolutely see where the money is coming from this year, how you managed to get under it with the squad you had at the start of the season is another thing, but we don't know the ins and outs etc etc.
I still think we cannot be judged as a squad until we get Fielden et al off the wages they are on. Fieldens wage is that of a World Class player, our squad would look 10x better if Fielden was someone like Peacock, who wouldn't be on anymore money.
The pack looks weak, and the squad looks weak, because Fielden is weak but taking up a massive wage. There are others as well, but i don't think anywhere near as many as when Mo was about.'"
IL is living off the Fielden wage if you know what i mean. No big changes once hes gone THEN questions needs to be ask about IL
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| How much do we think Fielden actually earns. It can't be more than 120k can it?
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| Quote: Lefty "How much do we think Fielden actually earns. It can't be more than 120k can it?'"
I'll go 250k plus.
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| Quote: AJ "I'll go 250k plus.'"
That is a lot. I think our top player is on about 170-180.
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| Quote: inside_man "I can absolutely see where the money is coming from this year, how you managed to get under it with the squad you had at the start of the season is another thing, but we don't know the ins and outs etc etc.'" Our squad is not the best in the league, and others are under the SC, so I have no doubts we are.
People talk about the big players like Morley, King, Briers, Carvell etc. but then our squad contains a lot of players who surely can't be on massive wages, the likes of Grix, Bridge, Mathers, Riley, Hicks, Clarke, Harrison, Blythe, Cooper etc.
The fact is none of us know people's salaries.
I could sit here and say no way you are under the cap because you have the likes of Richards, Gleeson, Roberts, O'Loughlin, Hock, Smith, Fielden, Feka etc. but in reality, I wouldn't have a clue what they are on.
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| Quote: Dave T "Very simple. So far this year we have released Gleeson and Reardon. Mathers is in, as is Carney (who probably won't be with us next year).
I would think we have some money free from Gleeson's salary.
Add to this the fact that we could easily release the likes of Johnson and Rauhihi, and there is free income.'"
Fair enough I suppose Gleeson & Rauhihi are on big money and Reardon/Johnson on enough to make way for Atkins/Myler.
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| Quote: wigan_knight "IL is living off the Fielden wage if you know what i mean. No big changes once hes gone THEN questions needs to be ask about IL'"
If you look at the amount of injuries our squad has had this season then imagine if Mo was still here, instead of having 4/5 solid decent players, he's have paid over the odds for an old aussie, and we'd be struggling with injuries every week.
In the age of the cap you have to set aside a certain amount of money for "Marquee" signings and then use the rest to get decent/good players that will do a good job on a normal wage, but you have to have a decent sized squad to be able to cope with the rigours of this league. Fielden taking up probably more than 1 top class players salary does seriously hamper us with recruitment.
We were very thin as a squad during the last few Mo years and that did lead to sometimes putting out some seriously weakened sides, but we were missing our entire first choice back row a couple of weeks ago and still managed to put one out that was better than most. Granted lots were youngsters from the academy/reserves, but they wouldn't have been there without better cap management.
I'm a big IL supporter, i think the squad overall looks a lot stronger than a few years ago with regards to numbers and home grown players, but we are lacking a top class intimidating metre making prop, all of which Fielden is supposed to be, and with the wage he's on SHOULD BE!
Swap Fielden for Peacock/Morley/Graham we would be up near the top challenging for trophies.
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| Quote: inside_man "If you look at the amount of injuries our squad has had this season then imagine if Mo was still here, instead of having 4/5 solid decent players, he's have paid over the odds for an old aussie, and we'd be struggling with injuries every week.
In the age of the cap you have to set aside a certain amount of money for "Marquee" signings and then use the rest to get decent/good players that will do a good job on a normal wage, but you have to have a decent sized squad to be able to cope with the rigours of this league. Fielden taking up probably more than 1 top class players salary does seriously hamper us with recruitment.
We were very thin as a squad during the last few Mo years and that did lead to sometimes putting out some seriously weakened sides, but we were missing our entire first choice back row a couple of weeks ago and still managed to put one out that was better than most. Granted lots were youngsters from the academy/reserves, but they wouldn't have been there without better cap management.
I'm a big IL supporter, i think the squad overall looks a lot stronger than a few years ago with regards to numbers and home grown players, but we are lacking a top class intimidating metre making prop, all of which Fielden is supposed to be, and with the wage he's on SHOULD BE!
Swap Fielden for Peacock/Morley/Graham we would be up near the top challenging for trophies.'"
I would be very happy to give Fieldens wage to Graham
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