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| Quote Sweaty Betty's="Sweaty Betty's"Pray tell.'"
Well I would guess at one of the two reasons but they are linked:
One didn't want to sit in the stands
The club can't afford to pay top wages for a winger to sit in the stands all season
As plenty of people have pointed out, we have adequate cover on the wing but injury and personal issues have led to an issue for a handful of games out of a full season.
We could have looked for even more cover, but who is available? Everyone is currently signed up so we now need space on the cap AND a transfer fee.
This isn't 1992, we can't sign who we want when we want.
The club have said they are possibly looking for a winger but it will be the right signing at the right time and not just because we may have an issue vs Leigh.
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| Quote Sweaty Betty's="Sweaty Betty's"He didn't. I wasn't referring to Manfredi, if you think about it for one minute I was referring to Marshy and Budgie. Don't know where hell came into it.
Tell me why one of the players you have mentioned would have had to been released as I am a tad confused? We have not spent the full cap. For the second time, tell me where I stated that we should sign a back up winger!!!!'"
Budgie wasn't released. Once again, he left to be first choice elsewhere because he wasn't here. That's two players in a row you have bought up to defeat your own argument  . Before GB left they said that we were very close to the cap. So either we only recently got some cap space, or it may be that we still don't have much if GB leaving was already factored into the equation as Jukesays hints at.
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| Quote Grimmy="Grimmy"Budgie wasn't released. Once again, he left to be first choice elsewhere because he wasn't here. That's two players in a row you have bought up to defeat your own argument
. Before GB left they said that we were very close to the cap. So either we only recently got some cap space, or it may be that we still don't have much if GB leaving was already factored into the equation as Jukesays hints at.'"
Not good enough. We should have signed Josh Addo-Carr
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| Quote Sweaty Betty's="Sweaty Betty's"Did Tom tell you that? Why would it have been the same situation this year, are you saying that Manfredi and Marshall are automatically selected? I am well aware that players make decisions based on their own interests, who doesn't? It is about making the best use of your resources and the Club still has some available. Obviously, it will come down to choice and when Rads gets it right he should be applauded (which to be fair he has done on most occasions), but if you think he hasn't then you should be able to voice your opinion.
You keep referring to a reserve winger, why? The Salary Cap doesn't apply to the top 20 earners, it is a good job that you are not in charge of monitoring it, on the Club's behalf, or we would finish up playing Clubb and Isa on the wing. Yes, Manfredi, Marshall and Bibby will count against our cap. Any new winger would not have to be paid as a 'reserve', as you wish to call it, if his salary could be accommodated under the salary cap. Let me give you an example, Wigan could sign Sivo the Fijian winger and pay him £500k per season providing that we have either £500k spare under the cap or if we make him a Marquee Player and we have £150k available. Does that make sense?
Manfredi and Marshall will not be back in a couple of weeks. We need wingers who can finish in our team not guys who can fill a spot.'"
Davies told the whole world that in an interview after he left. The situation is no different to the one that caused him to leave. It's so ironic that you criticise poor management in one comment then later talk about paying for a marquee winger in addition to the first choice wingers we are already paying for plus Bibby. I'm well aware that is possible to do, but it would inevitably mean not having £150k worth of our top earners. So in your example we presumably don't bring back either French or Hastings. We lose one of the main players on our team so that we can have three first team wingers plus Bibby in reserve. Then once players return from injury one of Marshall/Manfredi is sat in the stands on a first team wage and either French or Hastings is playing elsewhere. Longer term you can lose Manfredi but you still have one of your two marquee allowances tied up in a winger. Either that or we play a youngster on the wing for a week or two and have both French and Hastings all year. I know which scenario I prefer.
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| Quote Sweaty Betty's="Sweaty Betty's"If we are cutting our cloth then that is fine, I would have no complaints.'"
I think we are. I know there’s a bit of debate on here about there being room or not and if Hastings/French took the George Burgess cap space before he was even confirmed as leaving but I think there will be room. There is a difference however between there being room and there being money available to fill that cap space. I’m sure French got a fair pay rise, Bateman will be on a fortune and Field has taken some space. Add in other pay rises and whilst loads have left, I doubt there’s huge amounts to throw around even if we could afford to.
We have a good squad for my money anyway. A little thinner than usual but there’s some absolute quality in it and at full strength we’ll be tough to beat. We could do with some of that St Helens injury luck (heard a player got a cold in pre season and had to have a lemsip) and if we get it we’ll challenge. We may just need to hang in for a few weeks first. I’m pretty excited to see what the youngsters can do. The squad depth last year probably held one or two back.
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| I can under stand what they are saying, why sign Field when we had 3 fullbacks and 3 halves when we knew we had a winger out with an ACL and Doms record of knees swelling up, time will tell if it worked out well, might be a master stroke
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| Quote Egg Chasing="Egg Chasing"Well I would guess at one of the two reasons but they are linked:
One didn't want to sit in the stands
The club can't afford to pay top wages for a winger to sit in the stands all season
As plenty of people have pointed out, we have adequate cover on the wing but injury and personal issues have led to an issue for a handful of games out of a full season.
We could have looked for even more cover, but who is available? Everyone is currently signed up so we now need space on the cap AND a transfer fee.
This isn't 1992, we can't sign who we want when we want.
The club have said they are possibly looking for a winger but it will be the right signing at the right time and not just because we may have an issue vs Leigh.'"
So it is so obvious that you are guessing why he left!
So the Club think there may be the need to sign a winger but everyone else is right?
Everyone is currently signed up but my point was, and still is, that it was [unot[/uthe case when the Club were making plans in the middle of last season. Why can't you understand that I am not talking about the here and now?
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| Quote Sweaty Betty's="Sweaty Betty's"So it is so obvious that you are guessing why he left!
So the Club think there may be the need to sign a winger but everyone else is right?
Everyone is currently signed up but my point was, and still is, that it was [unot[/uthe case when the Club were making plans in the middle of last season. Why can't you understand that I am not talking about the here and now?'"
Because when the club were making plans last season they would have said "we have 6 players that can play on the wing so we don't need a winger"
The fact those 6 are now down to 1 or 2 is an extreme case that you can't budget for.
The club have said they are POSSIBLY looking for a winger, in other words, if the injured players don't come back. Same as the Singleton signing. Do you think we would have signed him if Burgess and Clark were playing out their skin?
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| Quote Egg Chasing="Egg Chasing"Because when the club were making plans last season they would have said "we have 6 players that can play on the wing so we don't need a winger"
The fact those 6 are now down to 1 or 2 is an extreme case that you can't budget for.
The club have said they are POSSIBLY looking for a winger, in other words, if the injured players don't come back. Same as the Singleton signing. Do you think we would have signed him if Burgess and Clark were playing out their skin?'"
So we have gone from six wingers to two, the Club are possibly looking at signing another winger but will only do so if Manfredi or Marshall do not play again, are you serious? Who were the other four wingers that we had? Yes I do think we would have signed Singleton.
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| Quote Sweaty Betty's="Sweaty Betty's"So we have gone from six wingers to two, the Club are possibly looking at signing another winger but will only do so if Manfredi or Marshall do not play again, are you serious? Who were the other four wingers that we had? Yes I do think we would have signed Singleton.'"
Marshall
Manfredi
Bibby
French
Halsall
Hanley
Gildart could also play there at a push if things got really bad.
If all of those are fit then we have no need for another winger. No squad will carry 7 or 8 players just because they capable of playing on the wing.
The same way we don't sign another half back because Hastings is out this week, is the same way we don't panic buy a winger.
Now if that list of 6 becomes 1 or 2 because of long term injury and we have space then we will probably bring one in. If those 6 are all fit then we probably won't we will probably look elsewhere and bring in another 9 if Powell and Tommy are out all season, or another prop if we get an injury crisis there.
Personally, I would rather sign a centre than a winger but again that is a position in which we are pretty well covered with a fully fit squad so would only be if necessary.
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| Quote Grimmy="Grimmy"Budgie wasn't released. Once again, he left to be first choice elsewhere because he wasn't here. That's two players in a row you have bought up to defeat your own argument
. Before GB left they said that we were very close to the cap. So either we only recently got some cap space, or it may be that we still don't have much if GB leaving was already factored into the equation as Jukesays hints at.'"
He left because Wigan didn't offer him a new contract.
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| Quote Grimmy="Grimmy"Davies told the whole world that in an interview after he left. The situation is no different to the one that caused him to leave. It's so ironic that you criticise poor management in one comment then later talk about paying for a marquee winger in addition to the first choice wingers we are already paying for plus Bibby. I'm well aware that is possible to do, but it would inevitably mean not having £150k worth of our top earners. So in your example we presumably don't bring back either French or Hastings. We lose one of the main players on our team so that we can have three first team wingers plus Bibby in reserve. Then once players return from injury one of Marshall/Manfredi is sat in the stands on a first team wage and either French or Hastings is playing elsewhere. Longer term you can lose Manfredi but you still have one of your two marquee allowances tied up in a winger. Either that or we play a youngster on the wing for a week or two and have both French and Hastings all year. I know which scenario I prefer.'"
Please explain to me why we would have had to forgone re-signing French and Hastings?
If you take time to read my post I was giving you an example because it is clear that you do not understand the salary cap rules.
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