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I don't think Tautai has been as poor as many on here suggest. The only really error strewn game he has had was at Wire when he got concussed. IMO he should not have come back onto the field. His discipline is very good for a forward.

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I don't think Tautai has been as poor as many on here suggest. The only really error strewn game he has had was at Wire when he got concussed. IMO he should not have come back onto the field. His discipline is very good for a forward.

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "I don't think Tautai has been as poor as many on here suggest. The only really error strewn game he has had was at Wire when he got concussed. IMO he should not have come back onto the field. His discipline is very good for a forward.


Agreed.

At many points this season he's been the only prop offering us with some much needed go forward.

There's much more to come from him imo. I remember him ruining us this time last year.

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Have we had a player recently that's regressed as much as Crosby over the space of a year/18 months? He's a shadow of the player he was - an absolute liability in defence at times and gets through limited work with the ball.

Meanwhile I thought Mossop was very good last night and Clubb was his usual self.

Bateman is still the best prop, second row, centre and loose forward (all at the same time) we have at the club.

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Also Tautai should cop a well deserved ban for that stupid tackle.

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Quote: Wigg'n "Have we had a player recently that's regressed as much as Crosby over the space of a year/18 months? He's a shadow of the player he was - an absolute liability in defence at times and gets through limited work with the ball.

Meanwhile I thought Mossop was very good last night and Clubb was his usual self.

Bateman is still the best prop, second row, centre and loose forward (all at the same time) we have at the club.'"


Regarding Mossop, i thought he was poor before going to Aus, and has been relatively poor since his return. However, as a bloke with buggered shoulders, soon needing one to be replaced, i am pleased he has gotten through a season unscathed. I hope we see a bigger improvement next year as his shoulders get stronger, and his confidence improves.

Crosby has been a mystery to me.. As you say, looked to be a potential world beater 18 months ago. Still time tho, props mature later.

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Crosby has been a mystery to me.. As you say, looked to be a potential world beater 18 months ago. Still time tho, props mature later.'"


I thought Crosby did well last night.

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Quote: Wigg'n "Also Tautai should cop a well deserved ban for that stupid tackle.'"

Needs to sort his hair band out, forever messing about with it, bet that is something not mentioned before about a Wigan prop forward !!!!!

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Quote: Wigg'n "Have we had a player recently that's regressed as much as Crosby over the space of a year/18 months? He's a shadow of the player he was - an absolute liability in defence at times and gets through limited work with the ball.

Meanwhile I thought Mossop was very good last night and Clubb was his usual self.

Bateman is still the best prop, second row, centre and loose forward (all at the same time) we have at the club.'"



And Joel Tomkins who was so conspicuous by his absence last night it only confirmed my opinion of him that he is bone idle, the amount of work Bateman got through last night should make Joel hang his head in shame.

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Quote: stillinthepast "And Joel Tomkins who was so conspicuous by his absence last night it only confirmed my opinion of him that he is bone idle, the amount of work Bateman got through last night should make Joel hang his head in shame.'"


I think you need to watch the game again. icon_biggrin.gif
Bateman was superb though.

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Quote: stillinthepast "And Joel Tomkins who was so conspicuous by his absence last night it only confirmed my opinion of him that he is bone idle, the amount of work Bateman got through last night should make Joel hang his head in shame.'"


I think you need to watch the game again. icon_biggrin.gif
Bateman was superb though.

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "I think you need to watch the game again.
Still only as many carries as Mossop who played about 50 less minutes.

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Quote: Wigg'n "Have we had a player recently that's regressed as much as Crosby over the space of a year/18 months? He's a shadow of the player he was - an absolute liability in defence at times and gets through limited work with the ball.

Meanwhile I thought Mossop was very good last night and Clubb was his usual self.

Bateman is still the best prop, second row, centre and loose forward (all at the same time) we have at the club.'"

I have been very critical of Moosop this season but last night you couldn't fault his effort

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Quote: Itchy Arsenal "I have been very critical of Moosop this season but last night you couldn't fault his effort'"

I used to have a 15yr old ford cortina, you couldn't fault that either but i couldn't wait to part ex it.

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I thought that was Mossop's best performance this season, unfortunately it coincided with Crosby's worst.

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "I think you need to watch the game again.
I admit I may have been a bit harsh with my comment about Joel which you pointed out showing the stats from last nights game, but as another poster pointed out Joel's stats were matched by Mossop who spent half the time on the pitch.
Joel's problem is he does not make his own space , he takes the ball up when it is his turn in a set but he never looks like making a clean break due to the fact that he needs others to put him through.

Before Joel went to Union he had Tommy on his side of the pitch and Sam was always causing panic down that side as well, all this meant that Joel was put through the gap more often were he could use his long stride and pace to cause havoc.
But since he came back from Union he has had Matty Smith inside of him and Matty in my opinion his more of an old fashioned forwards scrum half and this has meant that because of Mattys lack of pace the gaps are not there to put Joel through. I think this lack of understanding between Joel and Matty is sometimes carried through into defending, sometimes they seem to have a mix up between themselves when tackling. Look at Hull's last try last night.

This post now seems like a Matty Smith knocking post but in my opinion they do not gel the same as Williams does with Faz, but I stand with my original comments regarding Joel being a bit idle, he does not go looking for work like Bateman and Faz, hence the better stats they both seem to get week in week out.

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