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Quote: Cbr1000rr "He's finished. The guy needs to do the decent thing and retire. If i couldn't do my job i wouldn't have one'"

We let these guys forgo further education, or getting skills and experience in a career, give them a short term contract in the knowledge that we'll wash our hands of them at the end of it if they lose form or get injured. I don't think it's unfair of him to see out his contract when he's given up all that. He presumably has a family to provide for and a lot of these guys don't have a lot of job opportunities beyond rugby. He's trying to get fit and be a good player for Wigan, that is doing the decent thing too. These aren't just pieces of meat who exist solely for our entertainment.

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Quote: Grimmy "We let these guys forgo further education, or getting skills and experience in a career, give them a short term contract in the knowledge that we'll wash our hands of them at the end of it if they lose form or get injured. I don't think it's unfair of him to see out his contract when he's given up all that. He presumably has a family to provide for and a lot of these guys don't have a lot of job opportunities beyond rugby. He's trying to get fit and be a good player for Wigan, that is doing the decent thing too. These aren't just pieces of meat who exist solely for our entertainment.'"

Fans can be extremely fickle. If a player leaves for a new challenge/bigger contract they are quick to call him for lack of loyalty. If he gets a serious injury they want to bin him off.

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You are looking at this through fans blinkers, and unfortunately this is business.

If he can’t play, he can sit and claim his wages in what will inevitably be his final contract/
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He’s not going to voluntarily retire, unless he can get a payoff or insurance claim.

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Quote: Jordan Rankin "You are looking at this through fans blinkers, and unfortunately this is business.

If he can’t play, he can sit and claim his wages in what will inevitably be his final contract/
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He’s not going to voluntarily retire, unless he can get a payoff or insurance claim.'"


It’s harsh but ultimately what has to happen. Wigan as a club has to come first, more so in ‘fan less’ times when income is limited. If he can’t play due to injury, he’s got to go. We have to be ruthless though I would [ilike[/i us to show some compassion in this scenario and at least pay him out an amount.

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Quote: 100% Warrior "It’s harsh but ultimately what has to happen. Wigan as a club has to come first, more so in ‘fan less’ times when income is limited. If he can’t play due to injury, he’s got to go. We have to be ruthless though I would [ilike[/i us to show some compassion in this scenario and at least pay him out an amount.'"


like he said that cant be the case, only if he chooses to go can this happen

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Quote: Jordan Rankin "

He’s not going to voluntarily retire, unless he can get a payoff or insurance claim.'"


Absolutely right and who can blame him.

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He’s been given a three year deal and has every right to sit on it and keep picking up his wages. He didn’t hold a gun to the clubs head to sign him. Anybody who says they’d walk away from a big contract by some moral obligation of not being able to earn their salary isn’t being honest with themselves.

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Quote: NickyKiss "He’s been given a three year deal and has every right to sit on it and keep picking up his wages. He didn’t hold a gun to the clubs head to sign him. Anybody who says they’d walk away from a big contract by some moral obligation of not being able to earn their salary isn’t being honest with themselves.'"

It still amazes me that so many fans have the unrealistic view that you can just get rid of a player who is contracted. GB is unlikely to be offloaded unless someone else makes the same mistake that we have made, he is unlikely to want to retire until there is no chance if his recovery and there must be cap implications if he is "paid off". Until Boris changes the rules we still have some protection under employment law.

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The same hip problem that everyone knew was the reason south’s wanted rid because he couldn’t train properly and was common knowledge for the past 3 years?

And then to pay him marquee? LMAO!

Who gave the go ahead to sign him? That’s what should be investigated, not his George’s hip

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Quote: NickyKiss "Anybody who says they’d walk away from a big contract by some moral obligation of not being able to earn their salary isn’t being honest with themselves.'"



Yep, my point exactly.

It’s the equivalent of someone earning a great wage in a job they are not very good at and quitting (without a job to go to) because you know they could employ someone better at it than you are.....

Nobody would leave their family in the “lurch” to help their employer.


It’s not like he’s a lifelong Pie-eater......


Quote: NickyKiss "He's finished. The guy needs to do the decent thing and retire. If i couldn't do my job i wouldn't have one'"



BUT if you have a contract, your employer can’t just get rid of you. They have to adhere to the terms of your contract....








And Merry Xmas to everyone, ally or rival in this great game of ours.

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Quote: Jordan Rankin "Yep, my point exactly.
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]BUT if you have a contract, your employer can’t just get rid of you. They have to adhere to the terms of your contract....








And Merry Xmas to everyone, ally or rival in this great game of ours.'"



Surely that cuts both ways though - if through injury he cannot fullfill his part of the contract then the club would have a right to terminate the contact, which would be unlikely it would must usually end in some kind of agreed termination/mutual ending. Not an easy situation for all concerned.

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Quote: exiled Warrior "Surely that cuts both ways though - if through injury he cannot fullfill his part of the contract then the club would have a right to terminate the contact, which would be unlikely it would must usually end in some kind of agreed termination/mutual ending. Not an easy situation for all concerned.'"



He’s still entitled to his full contract regardless of the circumstances he finds himself in now, unless he’s signed a “pay as you play” deal (which is as highly unlikely) or some kind of caveat regarding being unfit to play (Again very unlikely, it makes the contract worth nothing because anyone can get injured whilst playing)

Imagine Jackson Hastings or Bevan French saying he has a knee injury, you terminate their contract and they pop up in Australia playing for Gold Coast Titans....... Knee injury magically cured and you’ve lost out.

If Wigan have the correct insurance, it MAY cover for an injury forced retirement however as an already present injury, that’ll unlikely be an open and shut case, and as we all know insurance companies prefer NOT to pay out if they can.....

More likely is the “mutual parting” scenario in which GB will likely hold all the cards.....

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Agreed but this is slightly different in that it is by all accounts a chronic injury that has been well known about (if rumours are to be believed) in which case I would imagine the club would have (or perhaps should have) some kind of clause or insurance protecting them in the event of the injury preventing him from playing- whatever it is a very unfortunate situation all round. I hope that some kind of cure or management can be found that enables him to play and reach something like his full abiklity in which case we would have a very good player - that would be the best outcome for all.

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Quote: exiled Warrior "Agreed but this is slightly different in that it is by all accounts a chronic injury that has been well known about (if rumours are to be believed) in which case I would imagine the club would have (or perhaps should have) some kind of clause or insurance protecting them in the event of the injury preventing him from playing- whatever it is a very unfortunate situation all round. I hope that some kind of cure or management can be found that enables him to play and reach something like his full abiklity in which case we would have a very good player - that would be the best outcome for all.'"


I can’t help but think that the club knew there was a risk but decided to take a gamble and perhaps something has been included in the contract which is not public knowledge in relation to his salary.

I think we will see some sort of mutual agreement at some point next season if things don’t improve significantly.

Interesting to hear he has moved out of his premises recently.

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Quote: Jordan Rankin "Yep, my point exactly.

It’s the equivalent of someone earning a great wage in a job they are not very good at and quitting (without a job to go to) because you know they could employ someone better at it than you are.....

Nobody would leave their family in the “lurch” to help their employer.


It’s not like he’s a lifelong Pie-eater......


BUT if you have a contract, your employer can’t just get rid of you. They have to adhere to the terms of your contract....








And Merry Xmas to everyone, ally or rival in this great game of ours.'"



Unless your a self employed contractor like me and then your screwed, if I'm not fit or healthy to work i get zero money.
Obviously i was being a bit over simplistic but i think that stems from frustration about us being stuck with a player clearly unfit and taking up a huge chunk of the SC

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