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| Anyone bored enough and can put together an excel with 4 columns.
Wigan, Saints, Warrington, Catalans
Put the squad top to bottom in terms of expected salary.
And then we can really have a good look at how we have spent up to the cap next year apart from the £200k remaining or whatever in comparison to other clubs.
I cannot fathom how we only have that little remaining!!!
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| This was explained at the fans forum but is primarily because of mismanagement of the cap giving average young players too good deals. Apparently players like Byrne partington havard shorocks etc have been upgraded to 100k deals when their relative worth is lucky to be half of that...none of those players should be on more than 50k for what they offer. Then you have average like singleton and Powell probably on the same or more!
So we’re wasting huge amounts keeping a lot of deadwood.
Personally I’d clear out the whole pack bar Farrell Bateman KPP and possibly havard (if he’s on a sensible deal). Get rid of the rest, get Dwyer off Leeds and a few other forwards...should have got amor before stains resigned etc.
That’s how we sort this mess and get back on track
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16493_1299497226.jpg [quote="king warrior":prbr924b]Adam Blair flew over yesterday and has been training the deal is going to be signed this week
Got to say this is a top signing[/quote:prbr924b]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_16493.jpg |
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| Quote: afootingmiracle21-12 "Apparently players like Byrne partington havard shorocks etc have been upgraded to 100k deals'"
When was this announced?
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| Quote: nathan_rugby "Anyone bored enough and can put together an excel with 4 columns.
Wigan, Saints, Warrington, Catalans
Put the squad top to bottom in terms of expected salary.
And then we can really have a good look at how we have spent up to the cap next year apart from the £200k remaining or whatever in comparison to other clubs.
I cannot fathom how we only have that little remaining!!!'"
I’d love to see it. I put a list on here a few weeks ago of internationals or borderline internationals at Wigan, Saints and Wire and it’s stark the difference between the clubs. ‘If’ there is only 73k left on the cap for 2022 then at least one of three things is happening-
1-Wigan are telling porkies.
2-Saints and Wire are telling porkies.
3-there has been an horrendous mismanagement of our cap this last year or two.
I’d guess it’s probably a mixture of a couple of the above.
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20333_1393344959.gif Current thoughts - Mago out or get running up them plantations, get fit or get rid.
Maybe a back up halfback, someone with a bit of experience on a short term deal.
Big tall strong running second rower, like a McMeekin or Sironen type back rower.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_20333.gif |
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| Quote: nathan_rugby "Anyone bored enough and can put together an excel with 4 columns.
Wigan, Saints, Warrington, Catalans
Put the squad top to bottom in terms of expected salary.
And then we can really have a good look at how we have spent up to the cap next year apart from the £200k remaining or whatever in comparison to other clubs.
I cannot fathom how we only have that little remaining!!!'"
Maybe use the fantasy rugby prices for the players, that may give some indication.
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| I'd guess this has been addressed already, but why on earth did Radlinski publicly give an exact number when talking about the remaining cap?
If Wigan go into the bargain bin for anyone else they would have to spend all 73k no matter who they go for.
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16493_1299497226.jpg [quote="king warrior":prbr924b]Adam Blair flew over yesterday and has been training the deal is going to be signed this week
Got to say this is a top signing[/quote:prbr924b]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_16493.jpg |
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| Quote: SFW "I'd guess this has been addressed already, but why on earth did Radlinski publicly give an exact number when talking about the remaining cap?
If Wigan go into the bargain bin for anyone else they would have to spend all 73k no matter who they go for.'"
We have more than that available. We have money put aside for a halfback, which is assumed to be another £150k.
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65656_1708941604.jpg [size=95:2obtgspq]23 LEAGUE TITLES[/size:2obtgspq]
[size=95:2obtgspq]21 CHALLENGE CUPS[/size:2obtgspq]
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| Quote: afootingmiracle21-12 "This was explained at the fans forum but is primarily because of mismanagement of the cap giving average young players too good deals. Apparently players like Byrne partington havard shorocks etc have been upgraded to 100k deals when their relative worth is lucky to be half of that...none of those players should be on more than 50k for what they offer. Then you have average like singleton and Powell probably on the same or more!
So we’re wasting huge amounts keeping a lot of deadwood.
Personally I’d clear out the whole pack bar Farrell Bateman KPP and possibly havard (if he’s on a sensible deal). Get rid of the rest, get Dwyer off Leeds and a few other forwards...should have got amor before stains resigned etc.
That’s how we sort this mess and get back on track'"
That's not how we get back on track.
You'd get possibly keep Havard, but would have signed Amor. Imagine selling that one in 2 years and asking why such a talent like Havard was let go for Kyle Amor.
Byrne is going to be a very good SL prop. The lads 21 FFS and has played 50 + SL games already. Good SL props don't mature until 27 +. Look at Dudson as a perfect example "not good enough for Wigan" and now he's a good SL prop who'd walk into our side.
People need to have a cold shower & think back to 2017. The same moronic "clear the decks", "they aren't good enough" bile was being spewed. We won the league the following season.
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| Quote: Pemps "We have more than that available. We have money put aside for a halfback, which is assumed to be another £150k.'"
Makes even less sense to say it then!
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23350_1468449137.jpg [quote="roger daly":1a7cbd66]Oh dear, I believe you would be classed as s[sic] typical Wigan fan[/quote:1a7cbd66]
[quote="wrencat1873":1a7cbd66]It's the mighty Wigan, they can do whatever they want.[/quote:1a7cbd66]
[quote="Big lads mate":1a7cbd66]you arrogant pot prick[/quote:1a7cbd66]
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| Quote: NickyKiss "1-Wigan are telling porkies.
3-there has been an horrendous mismanagement of our cap this last year or two.'"
Be careful, pal, there'll a few white knights assaulting your inbox in defence of Bill and Ben with language like that.
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| Quote: Suzy Banyon "Be careful, pal, there'll a few white knights assaulting your inbox in defence of Bill and Ben with language like that.'"
I like to think I’m a reasonably sensible poster and try and stay pretty level on criticising the club but I’ll also try and be honest and my honest thoughts at the moment are that things just don’t stack up somewhere. It could well be that we’re too honest and the other two clubs are finding ways around the cap but the squads just don’t compare from an experience, proven quality and international caps standpoint.
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3076_1671446335.jpg SAINTS THE ORIGINAL AND PERENNIAL CHEATS
For sale full Saints kit (circa 1989). Shirts in pristine condition, but shorts badly soiled.
For 27 - 0 you get a trophy
For 75 - 0 you get sod all.
Wigan had eight in a row
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| Quote: afootingmiracle21-12 "This was explained at the fans forum but is primarily because of mismanagement of the cap giving average young players too good deals. Apparently players like Byrne partington havard shorocks etc have been upgraded to 100k deals when their relative worth is lucky to be half of that...none of those players should be on more than 50k for what they offer. Then you have average like singleton and Powell probably on the same or more!
So we’re wasting huge amounts keeping a lot of deadwood.
Personally I’d clear out the whole pack bar Farrell Bateman KPP and possibly havard (if he’s on a sensible deal). Get rid of the rest, get Dwyer off Leeds and a few other forwards...should have got amor before stains resigned etc.
That’s how we sort this mess and get back on track'"
None of those figures were ever mentioned at the fans forum!!!
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| Quote: NickyKiss "I like to think I’m a reasonably sensible poster and try and stay pretty level on criticising the club but I’ll also try and be honest and my honest thoughts at the moment are that things just don’t stack up somewhere. It could well be that we’re too honest and the other two clubs are finding ways around the cap but the squads just don’t compare from an experience, proven quality and international caps standpoint.'"
Can either of those sides win a game missing 10 players?
I feel we have gone for depth as opposed to quality but with constant injury issues we spend most of the season missing our quality.
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "None of those figures were ever mentioned at the fans forum!!!'"
Correct. What was said was people need to understand that the youn players wages have to go up to keep them. Rads used kpp as an example. For Wigan to get kpp on a new deal it will be 4 times his current salary. Imagine Wigan saying no where not giving younthat, then he leaves. And the Lenegan gets in in the neck for being tight which is a complete fallacy unless your stupid or blind.
So we can only presume that havard,byrne,partington ect.. have had similar deals and hallsall,mcdonnell,hanley,oneill ect.. will be upcoming. We could just let all these go and buy journey men, then complain about that.
Lets all be happy as from now the person holding us back has gone.
New season soon be here with a new coach eager to impress.
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "None of those figures were ever mentioned at the fans forum!!!'"
Ok so i'm reading between the lines and joining a few dots. But what was said at the forum was that the young lads all want 100k deals or will leave....we've given said young lads upgrades recently. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out what said lads are likely to be on.
As for another poster's comment on Byrne, that he'll be a great player....hes about the worst front rower ive seen at wigan since ricky bibey...Ball retention is as poor as Paul Prescott's was....but at least prekie was probably the hardest runner in the team and had a reason for it....Bryne sometimes starts off going backwards...he's wakefield standard at best!
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