I cannot believe just how bad we have been tonight,i thought we dodged a bullet 2 weeks against Salford they were the better team team then and they are again tonight,good look to Salford at OT

Genuine question, would you react by potting Lam after these last few weeks? Is this acceptable?

Wow if anything I think just shows that we rode a wave. This pack had been dominated no it's buts or maybes about that. Just no grunt and no meter eaters. Massive I'll discipline and poor options with Clubb Flower O'Loughlin . All well past their best and in need fire need of replacing properly . The young lads have burned out as the season has gone on and it's shambolic that we are relying on them to carry this team!!

Me either. This would have never happened in a Shaun Wane team.

Bottleless, no direction, poor discipline. The list could literally go on and on. I’ve said it on another thread but there is a lot of players who after tonight need to stand and take a good long hard look at themselves in a mirror. What they’ve produced in TWO semi finals has been nothing short of embarrassing.

Lam also needs to do the same. For the life of me I can’t figure out what our tactics or game plan was - was there even a game plan?!

Absolutely ridiculous.

I have to say though that Salford thoroughly deserve their win and I wish them nothing but the best in the Grand Final.

It isn’t acceptable but I’m hesitant to pot Lam. If this continues into 2020 then absolutely get rid.

I did question the re-signing of Clubb mid season. I've not changed my mind.

If this team doesn't pick up in 2020 an Lam gets the chop...should we go for Ian Watson? What he has done at Salford is simply brilliant. Proper hard working team with a load of meter eaters and work horses

I'm away in France. Watching on TV is painful. I've not seen us look so clueless in a long time. No composure, no intensity, our forwards have been pathetic again. Add the errors and silly penalties to our lack of go forward, we've had no chance tonight. I think we've been worse tonight than last week.

Clubb is useless, Flower isn't anything special and never has been, Partington for all his effort and fearless play is getting smashed. Farrell has tried but it's just not worked, Isa gives everything but has no discernable talent. Lockers, well, aside from inspiring those around him apparently (I saw nobody play with inspiration tonight), now offers nothing while on the field. Powell is not a hooker than will win you games, Lussick out played him withing 5 minutes of being in the field.

We've been lucky that SL overall is on the slide and everyone is beating each other. We've not been anywhere near good enough overall through the season to reach a grand final, at least now we can't paint over the cracks, people withing have to acknowledge our completely obvious deficiencies.

When I saw the away end was full and the home end was empty I knew you was in trouble. Your team needed a lift tonight and they was nobody in the ground to do that for Wigan!

You struggled to overturn momentum throughout and the crowd was a factor in thst IMO.

The team didn’t show up v Saints. No matter about skill or individual ability, a team should always with 100% effort, desire and a will to win.
I find it forgivable if a team loses but you can see the fight, the effort and the a team who gives it their all.

Our team couldn’t get up for it v Saints, our biggest rivals 80mins from a GF.
The coach fielded the same team the following week giving them the opportunity to redeem. That tells you all you need to know about the team and the coach.

This combined with a team which looks like 13 men who don’t know each other let alone played a season together. The fall from grace in attitude and structure is there for all to see.

I honestly think you’d have never seen this under Wane or Madge.

Last week and tonight - awful,awful,awful !

Not just this week though is it,all season long it’s been poor bar the Matty Peet bounce the side got when he returned.

It’s not been a good season at all

I don't think that Viagra could have stiffened up our defence tonight talk about soft

I’d not bar an eyelid if he left personally. You’re right we’ve not played consistently well all season.
My only concern would be who do we bring in.

There was over 9,500 fans on there tonight probably 3.500 from Salford so 6.000 Wiganers spread about a souless stadium Salford were together behind the sticks and really vocal good luck to them in the final.