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| So as we all know, we will be severely depleted next year and a major overhaul is required. What realistic signings would you like to see.
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Personally i don't think we are strong enough at either centre but Sarginson is the one i would lose if i had to pick. I have been saying this for about 3 years but Bill Topou would be the most ideal centre around we could possibly go for. Problem is though, his stock has risen so much would he come? Sounds daft really but Wakefield are a bit more professional and 'homely' that we are at the moment. Do we still have the 'draw' factor?
Loose forward. Lockers i shouldn't imagine will go around again and we keep trying different combinations to plug the gap but there is a player in SL who flies under the radar of everybody who could make the position his own for the next 10 years. An absolute work horse who can get over the line and does a huge amount of work. That man is George Lawler.
Props. We need 2 (at least) but where are there 2 props with enough grunt to give us the extra edge over what we already have. We missed one in the off season. Kopczak would have been ideal for a couple of years but where do we find 2 new ones? Francis Tualau of the Bulldogs is off contract at the end of 2019 is is unlikely to have NRL clubs lining up for him. 24 years old, absolute monster of a man. Would be happy to take a risk on him. Wouldn't cost a lot of money either. The second is the more obvious one. David Fifita is off contract i think at the end of the season. I don't need to explain that one.
Hooker. Tricky one. Kurt Baptiste has signed for the Cowboys this year for a season. Never gets a regular run in the NRL but always seems to sign for the top clubs. He came over and played 1 game for Leigh before being released for personal and family reasons a few years ago. Maybe with the impending thought of him having no club next season might change his mind. Left field suggestion. Brad Dwyer is off contract at the end of 2019. He can unlock any defence and is very underrated.
Second row. Kenny Edwards is off contract at the end of the season. Any club worth their salt would be in for him. Would possibly demand high wages though but a class act nether the less.
Half Back. Maloney has all but said he will be at the Panthers until 2020 and in 2021 he will be 35. Not for me at that age for the wages. Robert Lui is out of contract and is, as we know a powerhouse half who can kick, score try's and tackle.
My two pennies worth. We will have a lot of cap space at the end of the year. Maybe we could fit them all in.
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| Quote: Cherry_Warrior "So as we all know, we will be severely depleted next year and a major overhaul is required. What realistic signings would you like to see.
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Personally i don't think we are strong enough at either centre but Sarginson is the one i would lose if i had to pick. I have been saying this for about 3 years but Bill Topou would be the most ideal centre around we could possibly go for. Problem is though, his stock has risen so much would he come? Sounds daft really but Wakefield are a bit more professional and 'homely' that we are at the moment. Do we still have the 'draw' factor?
Loose forward. Lockers i shouldn't imagine will go around again and we keep trying different combinations to plug the gap but there is a player in SL who flies under the radar of everybody who could make the position his own for the next 10 years. An absolute work horse who can get over the line and does a huge amount of work. That man is George Lawler.
Props. We need 2 (at least) but where are there 2 props with enough grunt to give us the extra edge over what we already have. We missed one in the off season. Kopczak would have been ideal for a couple of years but where do we find 2 new ones? Francis Tualau of the Bulldogs is off contract at the end of 2019 is is unlikely to have NRL clubs lining up for him. 24 years old, absolute monster of a man. Would be happy to take a risk on him. Wouldn't cost a lot of money either. The second is the more obvious one. David Fifita is off contract i think at the end of the season. I don't need to explain that one.
Hooker. Tricky one. Kurt Baptiste has signed for the Cowboys this year for a season. Never gets a regular run in the NRL but always seems to sign for the top clubs. He came over and played 1 game for Leigh before being released for personal and family reasons a few years ago. Maybe with the impending thought of him having no club next season might change his mind. Left field suggestion. Brad Dwyer is off contract at the end of 2019. He can unlock any defence and is very underrated.
Second row. Kenny Edwards is off contract at the end of the season. Any club worth their salt would be in for him. Would possibly demand high wages though but a class act nether the less.
Half Back. Maloney has all but said he will be at the Panthers until 2020 and in 2021 he will be 35. Not for me at that age for the wages. Robert Lui is out of contract and is, as we know a powerhouse half who can kick, score try's and tackle.
My two pennies worth. We will have a lot of cap space at the end of the year. Maybe we could fit them all in.'"
Cap space is one thing, but actual money is another, seems like a lot of Sl owners/chairmen are fed up of bankrolling a dyimg sport.
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| The problem is that Toupu and Fa’fita are under contract. Toupu till the end of 2020 and Fafita has an NRL option at the end of this year otherwise he is also there till 2020. I’m sure the KE lad also has a deal in place for the next few years.
The main thing we MUST sort ASAP is the Edwards situation. He cannot now bevthe next Wigan coach that is clear, so we need to be sorting a new one or backing Lam. Worst thing to do would be mess around much longer and then miss out on players the 2020 coach wants.
This entire mess with Edwards could have huge repercussions on our next few seasons unless it is sorted very very quickly.
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| I would raid Wakefield in all honesty (sorry Wakey fans).
Chris Chester would be my choice for coach and Tupou and Fafita would be excellent signings.
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| What do we think of Josh Jones? Off contract at Salford for 2019, 25 years of age.
Always looked a really good player for me. Strong, powerful, athletic. I would rather have him than Willie Isa.
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| To be fair we need the coaching situation sorting as it is Rads and Lenagen seem to do all the recruiting and that's not turning out very well is it compared to some clubs ?! Lets get Edwards in and let him decide which player he wants or doesn't want
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| Quote: cadoo "What do we think of Josh Jones? Off contract at Salford for 2019, 25 years of age.
Always looked a really good player for me. Strong, powerful, athletic. I would rather have him than Willie Isa.'"
He’d be right up towards the top of my list on current form. I’d be looking for two halves, a hooker and a prop as well but realistically I doubt we’ll get anything like what we want/need. I couldn’t throw too many realistic names at you in regards the NRL because the ones I know of aren’t realistic and any others I don’t know enough about but at Superleague level guys like Hastings, Sneyd, Parcell and Fafita would be right up there in my mind. In truth though all would have other clubs bidding for them and when that happens it makes those unrealistic as well because we’ll not outbid many clubs.
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| Quote: cadoo "What do we think of Josh Jones? Off contract at Salford for 2019, 25 years of age.
Always looked a really good player for me. Strong, powerful, athletic. I would rather have him than Willie Isa.'"
I will let you in on a little secret about Josh Jones. Real quailty player, i agree. I saw him in a pub just after it was announved he was leaving Union and signing for Salford. I told him i rated him as a player and we could have done with someone like him at Wigan. His response was "i would never play for Wigan" make of that what you will
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| Is 'promotion from the Championship' a reasonable response?
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| Quote: TonyM19 "Is 'promotion from the Championship' a reasonable response?
Heres where i think we are going into 2020, assuming Lockers and Leuluai retire and GW leaves to Canberra:
1. Hardaker
2. Manfredi
3. Gildart
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5. Davies / Burgess
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10. Flower
11. Greenwood
12. Farrell
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17. Powell / Shorrocks
If so, that is alarming. You need at least 2 new props, 2 halfbacks, a starting hooker, and a loose forward? Other than the fullback thats an entirely new spine!
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| Quote: Cherry_Warrior "So as we all know, we will be severely depleted next year and a major overhaul is required. What realistic signings would you like to see.
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Personally i don't think we are strong enough at either centre but Sarginson is the one i would lose if i had to pick. I have been saying this for about 3 years but Bill Topou would be the most ideal centre around we could possibly go for. Problem is though, his stock has risen so much would he come? Sounds daft really but Wakefield are a bit more professional and 'homely' that we are at the moment. Do we still have the 'draw' factor?
Loose forward. Lockers i shouldn't imagine will go around again and we keep trying different combinations to plug the gap but there is a player in SL who flies under the radar of everybody who could make the position his own for the next 10 years. An absolute work horse who can get over the line and does a huge amount of work. That man is George Lawler.
Props. We need 2 (at least) but where are there 2 props with enough grunt to give us the extra edge over what we already have. We missed one in the off season. Kopczak would have been ideal for a couple of years but where do we find 2 new ones? Francis Tualau of the Bulldogs is off contract at the end of 2019 is is unlikely to have NRL clubs lining up for him. 24 years old, absolute monster of a man. Would be happy to take a risk on him. Wouldn't cost a lot of money either. The second is the more obvious one. David Fifita is off contract i think at the end of the season. I don't need to explain that one.
Hooker. Tricky one. Kurt Baptiste has signed for the Cowboys this year for a season. Never gets a regular run in the NRL but always seems to sign for the top clubs. He came over and played 1 game for Leigh before being released for personal and family reasons a few years ago. Maybe with the impending thought of him having no club next season might change his mind. Left field suggestion. Brad Dwyer is off contract at the end of 2019. He can unlock any defence and is very underrated.
Second row. Kenny Edwards is off contract at the end of the season. Any club worth their salt would be in for him. Would possibly demand high wages though but a class act nether the less.
Half Back. Maloney has all but said he will be at the Panthers until 2020 and in 2021 he will be 35. Not for me at that age for the wages. Robert Lui is out of contract and is, as we know a powerhouse half who can kick, score try's and tackle.
My two pennies worth. We will have a lot of cap space at the end of the year. Maybe we could fit them all in.'"
I agree with all of the positions that you have highlighted but I see a couple of issues with the people you have suggested.
Firstly the team is completely lobsided, the centre and second row we need both have to have a preference for playing down the right hand side, sadly Tupou and Edwards are both left sided players.
Secondly there is no chance of replacing Lockers like for like so we are going to have to change our style to allow for his absence.
Third we vdefinitely need 2 half backs, possibly Harry Smith as one he controls games well and we would need a top class experienced half to play alongside him.
Lastly we need 2 huge possibly nasty props to go with Flower and Bullock, and a creative hooker.
Not to much to hope for eh.
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| Is this really where we are? If we’re at the level where we’re discussing the likes of Josh Jones as a realistic target we really are in dark times. It’s very sad.
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| Rumours surrounding a few halves going to the NRL at the moment.
Williams and Fages being tapped up obviously.
One thing to note is the lack of rumour or links to the NRL for Hastings.
Wigan must be monitoring this situation, must.
If he isn’t going back the the NRL it is essential we make a marquee size bid for him.
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| Quote: Bigredwarrior "Is this really where we are? If we’re at the level where we’re discussing the likes of Josh Jones as a realistic target we really are in dark times. It’s very sad.'"
Stats and performances don't lie. He is on top of most of the stats. We have to re-adjust our sights. We need a few bargains to fit in if we are going to sign some big guns (little evidence of that hapoening though).
Billy. As i was typing Edwards i was thinking that but then thought he has that much class i am pretty sure he would cope on the right. And Topou would come in at left centre. Its up to Gildart and Sarginson who wants to earn their spot on the right. Gildart is pretty flexible. He cant tackle on either side
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