I will start this off by saying currently coach an u11s side and if my lads played the basic ball in hand game we do I would go crazy.

We don't actually run onto the ball. The "attacking" scrum we had just before half time was the perfect example. 2 or 3 passes down the line to static players.

Our passing accuracy is that bad it is embarrassing how the hell can you win a game when you don't move forward onto the ball at pace?

I appreciate I am once more going to get slated but this has to come down to the coaching. Great in defence but basic skills ball in hand are declining season after season.

Yes you will get slated because you are a bell. A clueless one at that.

Ring Lenaghan up and tell him to sack Wane and put you in charge then.

Please point out what is inaccurate about my post.

Literally your first sentence. Implying Wigan's ball handling skills are inferior to your under 11's.

Get yourself upto Orrell then and show Wane how it's done.

Did I say that, no. I stated that if the basics of the game running onto the ball would not be done by my 11s I would go crazy.

Wire moving forward running into the ball killing us going forward at pace generating quick PTB's.

Slightly better at start of second half but still getting schooled by Wire in that respect.

If your U11's had 7 U9's playing every week then they wouldn't look too good either. I will judge when we have something resembling a full strength side on the pitch.

Clearly.

Our minus points difference and total reliance on individual players to come up with big plays ie Bateman to win us games rather than team work clearly shows just how great we are in this respect.

It is actually worse than when we were coached by Noble.

Any player who plays at SL level should be able to run onto a ball at pace. It has nothing to do with age. It is a basic skill a core skill of the game.

We seem totally incapable of doing it at times and when we do it is "the move" which is so predictable it is cringeworthy.

Young French player hits ball at pace at scores.

I fully agree with you, it's embarrassing how bad we are, not even average. Our attacking play is less than clueless and has been for a long time now. Not just recently with the injuries, going back to midway through last season. Once we get some players back we will either turn it round, or Wane will run out of excuses.

Are you watching the game on sky? If so, did you notice the shot of O'Loughlin, Farrell and the Tomkins brothers sat in the stands? When players like that are all on the field instead of being crocked, that will be the time to judge.

We're taking a battering off wire tonight but in the grand scheme of things it's just 2 points lost.

As I said a BASIC skill of the game is running onto the ball at pace.

66 minutes we pass to nobody from a penalty. 73 minutes Gelling runs onto the ball so ridiculously flat he loses contact gets driven back over the line. Simple BASIC plays.

You can gob off call me names, accuse me of being clueless, blame Wigan flue, injuries etc etc etc but there is simply no excuse for professional players being unable to pass a ball with accuracy and hit the ball at pace.

I actually see your point and although we've got so many players out on the sidelines my concern is that we have played in the exact same way for a number of years now. The same structure with the same set plays in attack , and whilst the likes of tomkins...lockers etc can pull it off better than the more inexperienced youngsters, we have no plan B. We haven't had a plan b for a long time.

At the moment I don't know whether to blame our attack on the lack of players or just simply down to the fact that we are having the skill factor coached out of us to just be replaced with the same structures and aggression that teams have learnt to cope with.


I hope in the long run when players return we get proven wrong and they start to put some good attacking plays in but at the moment it's all very lacklustre and I feel that the players we have on the field should still be atleast some sort of threat in attack.

77 minutes ball to ground off a bad pass followed by a forward pass from Mossop straight to Wire. Try. Basic basic errors.

We really are the dumbest team in the league who rely on individuals over and over again to get us a result.