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Why do Wigan not give players a chance?
The squad consists of players who have played Super League and younger lads who have yet to be given a chance.
We've got lads at Workington, Tierney who is an Academy international, Doran who has played Super League and Greenwood who has also played a full season at Super League.
We also have Hampshire who must watch Bowen play and shake his head in despair that he's not been given a chance.
We have two players at Swinton, Lloyd who has played Super League and Lever who was Academy player of the year and Academy International but hasn't been given a chance!
Surely these players deserve a chance on current form of the first team at the moment!
I hate to say it but Saints have played their young players and are playing well.
It appears Wane has his favourites and he won't drop them no matter what happens!

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Well, put it this way; it wouldn't be ideal. The time to blood the likes of Doran, Shorrocks, Tierney etc is into a reasonably settled team. To throw any of them into the current shambles would be asking the almost impossible. The difficult progress of George Williams, say, is proof of that (and we certainly can't/shouldn't be too hard on him). Would we want to replicate that in other positions in the backs?

I wouldn't be opposed to drafting in the likes of Greenwood into the forwards, though, because

a) He's done OK in the game time he has had, and

b) He could hardly be worse than some of the current shirt-owners.

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As a Saints fan who's seen a fair bit of Wigans younger players it is Hampshire that is the pick alongside Burgess.
The forwards will take longer to make their way through although I've been surprised by how well Sutton has held his own on occasion. Credit to him for doing that.
Wigan could put any of the younger forwards in for a spell off the bench and they'd all be ok if, and it's a big if, they had 3 big quality yard making props to rely on.
Flower will make a difference and Mossop needs an injury free run. It's up to the others to back these two up because the back row is way too small to bully teams.
I think Wigan will struggle in the short term but when Flower and SO'L return they'll get parity with most up front and then the halves will have a chance of playing with some field position consistently.
We'll find out then if Smith, Williams, Powell or Hampshire deserve a shirt.
On a side note I think if there was a tea lady at the DW called Farrell or Tomkins she'd be in the 17 on current form.

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[quote="headhunter":lnxdgxk2]Union people are idiots. They almost universally accept that league is a better, faster game played by better athletes, yet for some reason they continue to disregard and belittle it. That game is tedious as hell from start to finish. If he'd ever played or even bothered to give more than a fleeting chance to league he would realise that the game is far more 'technical' than Union ever could be. Booting the ball into touch, scrummaging and forming rucks and mauls aren't areas that involve any skill, technique or mental capacity whatsoever. These are clumsy, outdated facets of the game that are also extremely uninteresting to watch and thus have to be defended in some way by people who are too prejudiced to see the truth.[/quote:lnxdgxk2]:



I think the time has come to move things around a bit cos things are clearly not working as they are!!

Team I'd like to see for next week would be something along the lines of the following

1. Sarginson
2. Gelling
3. Tomkins
4. Gildart
5. Burgess
6. Hampshire
7. Smith
8. Mossop
9. McIllurum
10. Sutton
11. Connor Farrell
12. Tautai
13. Bateman
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Doran , Crosby, Clubb, Greenwood

Removes the ineffective Bowen and Liam Farrell this season, and would hopefully be the last we see of the former, and the kick up the harris the latter needs, especially being dropped for his brother who has been far better this year!

Gives us attacking options from the off with sarginson, and helps us with some of sarg's positional frailties playing at centre.

Joel has been rubbish at second row all season, and only seems to play when hes at centre, and is also defensively stronger than gelling or sarginson so that sturdies us up.

Gives Gildart, Connor, Hampshire & Doran a chance in their proper positions, and also bulks the pack up a little more with Tautai playing second row!

Give it a try Mr Wane and prove you have a plan B and a few other tactics than the ineffective 'smash em up approach'!!!

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I'm assuming the people picking Gildart didn't see any preseason friendlies? He's no where near ready. He's arguably not physically ready for playing at Workington for any prolonged period.
Yes we're struggling but putting these lads into an already struggling team could ruin them particularly halfbacks and forwards.

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Quote: gerr'emonside "I think the time has come to move things around a bit cos things are clearly not working as they are!!

Team I'd like to see for next week would be something along the lines of the following

1. Sarginson
2. Gelling
3. Tomkins
4. Gildart
5. Burgess
6. Hampshire
7. Smith
8. Mossop
9. McIllurum
10. Sutton
11. Connor Farrell
12. Tautai
13. Bateman
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Doran , Crosby, Clubb, Greenwood

Removes the ineffective Bowen and Liam Farrell this season, and would hopefully be the last we see of the former, and the kick up the harris the latter needs, especially being dropped for his brother who has been far better this year!

Gives us attacking options from the off with sarginson, and helps us with some of sarg's positional frailties playing at centre.

Joel has been rubbish at second row all season, and only seems to play when hes at centre, and is also defensively stronger than gelling or sarginson so that sturdies us up.

Gives Gildart, Connor, Hampshire & Doran a chance in their proper positions, and also bulks the pack up a little more with Tautai playing second row!

Give it a try Mr Wane and prove you have a plan B and a few other tactics than the ineffective 'smash em up approach'!!!'"


Gelling on the wing instead of Manfredi? Have you had a drink this morning?

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Truth is, for all the criticism of Burgess, Manfredi hasn't exactly seized the opportunities he's had this season with both hands, has he? icon_twisted.gif

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Quote: gerr'emonside "I think the time has come to move things around a bit cos things are clearly not working as they are!!

Team I'd like to see for next week would be something along the lines of the following

1. Sarginson
2. Gelling
3. Tomkins
4. Gildart
5. Burgess
6. Hampshire
7. Smith
8. Mossop
9. McIllurum
10. Sutton
11. Connor Farrell
12. Tautai
13. Bateman
-----------
Doran , Crosby, Clubb, Greenwood

Removes the ineffective Bowen and Liam Farrell this season, and would hopefully be the last we see of the former, and the kick up the harris the latter needs, especially being dropped for his brother who has been far better this year!

Gives us attacking options from the off with sarginson, and helps us with some of sarg's positional frailties playing at centre.

Joel has been rubbish at second row all season, and only seems to play when hes at centre, and is also defensively stronger than gelling or sarginson so that sturdies us up.

Gives Gildart, Connor, Hampshire & Doran a chance in their proper positions, and also bulks the pack up a little more with Tautai playing second row!

Give it a try Mr Wane and prove you have a plan B and a few other tactics than the ineffective 'smash em up approach'!!!'"

Thanks mate, that's cheered me up no end! d040.gif

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[quote="Frank Zappa":1sacjrvf]Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe.[/quote:1sacjrvf] [quote="The_Enforcer":1sacjrvf]Most idiotic post ever goes to Grimmy..... The way to restart should be an arm wrestle between a designated player from each side.[/quote:1sacjrvf]:



Quote: gerr'emonside "I think the time has come to move things around a bit cos things are clearly not working as they are!!

Team I'd like to see for next week would be something along the lines of the following

1. Sarginson
2. Gelling
3. Tomkins
4. Gildart
5. Burgess
6. Hampshire
7. Smith
8. Mossop
9. McIllurum
10. Sutton
11. Connor Farrell
12. Tautai
13. Bateman
-----------
Doran , Crosby, Clubb, Greenwood

Removes the ineffective Bowen and Liam Farrell this season, and would hopefully be the last we see of the former, and the kick up the harris the latter needs, especially being dropped for his brother who has been far better this year!

Gives us attacking options from the off with sarginson, and helps us with some of sarg's positional frailties playing at centre.

Joel has been rubbish at second row all season, and only seems to play when hes at centre, and is also defensively stronger than gelling or sarginson so that sturdies us up.

Gives Gildart, Connor, Hampshire & Doran a chance in their proper positions, and also bulks the pack up a little more with Tautai playing second row!

Give it a try Mr Wane and prove you have a plan B and a few other tactics than the ineffective 'smash em up approach'!!!'"

icon_biggrin.gifOH:

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Quote: moto748 "Truth is, for all the criticism of Burgess, Manfredi hasn't exactly seized the opportunities he's had this season with both hands, has he?
I don't know if this is sarcasm or not but Manfredi really impressed me on Friday. I thought he did really well.

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[quote="Frank Zappa":1sacjrvf]Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe.[/quote:1sacjrvf] [quote="The_Enforcer":1sacjrvf]Most idiotic post ever goes to Grimmy..... The way to restart should be an arm wrestle between a designated player from each side.[/quote:1sacjrvf]:



Quote: The Yellow Giraffe "I don't know if this is sarcasm or not but Manfredi really impressed me on Friday. I thought he did really well.'"

Me too, he was very good against Cas as well.

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Quote: The Yellow Giraffe "I don't know if this is sarcasm or not but Manfredi really impressed me on Friday. I thought he did really well.'"


Likewise. I thought Manfredi was one of the few standout players we had on Friday.

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Quote: MatautiaVila "As a Saints fan who's seen a fair bit of Wigans younger players it is Hampshire that is the pick alongside Burgess.
The forwards will take longer to make their way through although I've been surprised by how well Sutton has held his own on occasion. Credit to him for doing that.
Wigan could put any of the younger forwards in for a spell off the bench and they'd all be ok if, and it's a big if, they had 3 big quality yard making props to rely on.
Flower will make a difference and Mossop needs an injury free run. It's up to the others to back these two up because the back row is way too small to bully teams.
I think Wigan will struggle in the short term but when Flower and SO'L return they'll get parity with most up front and then the halves will have a chance of playing with some field position consistently.
We'll find out then if Smith, Williams, Powell or Hampshire deserve a shirt.
On a side note I think if there was a tea lady at the DW called Farrell or Tomkins she'd be in the 17 on current form.'"

Joel Tomkins has been tearing it up this season.

One bad game doesn't change that.

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Quote: Stevo's bald dome "Likewise. I thought Manfredi was one of the few standout players we had on Friday.'"


In the face of all this support for him, perhaps I should reconsider! He's certainly been enthusiastic; I remember that chase back to make the try-saving tackle with Bateman against Cas (?), when Bowen CBA. But I seem to recall a few dropped passes too, and he was responsible for the (very unnecessary) penalty which led to Burrow's try.

If the Cas and Leeds games were a better watch, I'd see them again to re-check his performances. But I'm sure Wigan fans can understand, I don't have much enthusiasm to do that. icon_biggrin.gif

What I am sure about is that a few dropped passes by wingers are far from being Wigan's biggest problem at the moment.

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[quote="Frank Zappa":1sacjrvf]Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe.[/quote:1sacjrvf] [quote="The_Enforcer":1sacjrvf]Most idiotic post ever goes to Grimmy..... The way to restart should be an arm wrestle between a designated player from each side.[/quote:1sacjrvf]:



Quote: moto748 "In the face of all this support for him, perhaps I should reconsider! He's certainly been enthusiastic; I remember that chase back to make the try-saving tackle with Bateman against Cas (?), when Bowen CBA. But I seem to recall a few dropped passes too, and he was responsible for the (very unnecessary) penalty which led to Burrow's try.

If the Cas and Leeds games were a better watch, I'd see them again to re-check his performances. But I'm sure Wigan fans can understand, I don't have much enthusiasm to do that. Smith gave away that penalty I thought?

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