So after all their whinging and moaning Mr Walsh is fine fit and raring to go, maybe No1 Saint will eat humble pie, this is Rugby League not netball get your players to man up,

Quote: Sunshine state "So after all their whinging and moaning Mr Walsh is fine fit and raring to go, maybe No1 Saint will eat humble pie, this is Rugby League not netball get your players to man up,'" Somehow I doubt it. It was as bad as Raynors on Tomkins!!! www.redvee.net/forums/showthread ... enge/page5

Quote: Sunshine state "So after all their whinging and moaning Mr Walsh is fine fit and raring to go, maybe No1 Saint will eat humble pie, this is Rugby League not netball get your players to man up,'" Somehow I doubt it. It was as bad as Raynors on Tomkins!!! www.redvee.net/forums/showthread ... enge/page5

I appreciate what the Saints fans are saying on their forum regarding injuries i.e. we don't want to see more players injured whether they play for St Helens, Wigan or otherwise. It's terrible when a player gets injured particularly if they are away from the game for a lengthy spell on the sidelines. It's a short career and in an ideal world we wouldn't see injuries of any sort despite the physicality's of the sport.

However, I do think some perspective is needed. Calls for the RFL to ban this, ban that & ban whoever will lead to the taking away some of the great things we enjoy about Rugby League. The contact and the aggressive nature of the sport is part of the fabric of the game.

Common sense says, each case should be reviewed individually rather than it being a blanket cover e.g. in the case of the shoulder charge. More and more Rugby League fans seem to be moaning about "cheap shots" and "acts of thuggery" when in most cases these incidents are blown way out of proportion by passionate fans who are caught up in the heat of the moment and also the bias towards their own team.

I really do not want to see an over-sanitised product and no, I don't want that to come at the expense of any players' career either. Surely there has to be a balance?

Seen it on Wigan TV and I can't believe Brown is moaning about it. He's quite clearly just trying to plant a seed in referees and the RFL's minds.

Glad Walsh is ok after the accidental collision with his own man by the way.

Well if they view us that bad the next time a Saints player wants a testimonial against us just tell them to sod off, Wiganers paid good money for James Robys' day and good luck to him he deserves it the good player he is but the abuse our players get is just not worth it.

Glad he is ok, glad Roby got a well deserved testimonial match... Been worth it just for the bleating stains...

There is a genuine reason why Brown is bleating.

He took the team he coached last season down another place in the table. The "rookie" coach who took over from him at Huddersfield last year took almost the same players to league leaders..

He's under immense pressure at Saints, just as the likes of Millward and Noble were at Wigan.

He is just ting himself because he knows all hope of saints season rest on Luke Walsh. Personally I don't see the improvement everyone else sees in saints, the only decent signing they have made is Walsh and he could still be a flop

I have been saying this for weeks, apart from Walsh there other signings are hardly marquee.

Amor is a good signing and Masoe could be if his hearts in it. I'm not sure that they'll add enough to see them challenge for a trophy but they'll certainly be more of a threat then last year.

If Walsh stays fit all year and plays well they could come close IMO.

If they'd have brought in someone to play him with or had a good quality young half back coming through I'd think they would be right in the mix. None of Walsh/Turner, Walsh/Hohaia or Walsh/Wilkin are top quality half back pairings IMO (Walsh/Gaskell could have been!), though I may be wrong . They'll be much improved on 2013 anyway.

Kyle Amor will prove to be an excellent signing for us, and Masoe will give us the same impact that Pettybourne will provide for you.

I agree with you. But the difference being, we didn't need Pettybourne to win the GF. Yes we have lost Mossop, but I think most observers felt that he was far from being our best prop. I think that Friday proved we have six good props, with Hopkins and Burke to add who were not even selected. Our pack will be improved from last season when it was good enough to win the double. Wigan are not standing still.

I agree, and I never suggested otherwise. Is defensive always your default stance?