I will save this thread until i am in my bed tonight

its not that interesting

Summary.

Blah..blah...blah I don't like Wane blah blahh blah

You may not agree with his views or agenda but if you don't want to read or reply, then don't.

Let's just keep things sensible. Too many threads have turned into personal attacks recently.

Wane and McGuire both won the LLS.
Although it is fashionable not to rate this achievement, I do.
To come top of the League after 27 games played makes a team the best in the League. The fact that the RFL/SL have the winner of the GF the League Champions proves that they have separated the "Champions" from "The best team in the League".
I pay my season ticket money to watch League games. They matter to me!
Play Offs and Cup Ties mean I pay additional money to watch which makes them additional competitions in the season to the main event which is the Super League fixture season.
I may well be a minority of one on this!

At the end of the day though, the other 13 teams aren't going into the season with a goal of finishing top, they all want to make the top 8 and win the grand final. I'm not saying they don't put the effort into winning league games or anything, but I can guarantee different decisions would be made in various instances if there were no play offs. Further to that, I do like the concept of the play offs, if not their current execution. For a team to be crowned champions I want to see them prove they can beat the best, you can do finish top of the league and not be able to do that e.g we lost both Wire league games last year but still finished top

They matter to me as well FT. They also matter to Saints fans or their chairman wouldn't having to be issuing the statements he does but at the end of the day Wane won't keep his job if he wins the hub cap year after year and Saints win a GF off the back of poor league seasons.

IL wants finals and he wants continued improvement. If Wane agrees to give these while saying we can cover the losses of the players going such as Mossop, Richards and Sam then he's going to have to deliver.

How many meters we make in the league won't count if we don't and if Wane decided he knew better than Madge and changed a winning formula and loses then he will be judged on that as well by IL despite the change in personnel because he will have accepted those anyway.

I still think he will be here for next season but I think he will have to deliver then if he doesn't this. We can obviously still win both and the big tests are coming. Lets hope everyone is fit and we don't end up debating was he right to play Murphy at 1 or whatever.

The only stats that matter, are those that support your case...

Make that two of us Father! Couldn't agree more.

And judging by the attendances at the play-offs (especially v Saints 2011) there might be a few more of us out there.

The league is the only true barometer of success in the long term as cups have too much luck involved. No one will convince me that Wigan and Warrington haven't been the best two teams over the last two seasons, SL champions or not.

Only stat that matter trophies won. We can lead the statistics in every department but if we do not win a trophy it will be a poor season and the statistics will mean sod all.

Meaningless Stats.

I bet if you looked at Leeds stats vs Wigans last year, the Wigan stats would come out as more favourable.

Yet we won bugger all and Leeds are the champions.

This is the only stat that matters.

I agree, i did not say otherwise.