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| With the RFL seemingly unable to find a way to improve the competion I thought now a good time to show the 'brains trust' over at Red Hall just how easy it could be. Get your fingers out you imbeciles!
1) Make every game count.
The team finishing top are crowned 'Champions' and get a trophy commensurate with this achievement. The trophy that was given to the winners pre-superleague would do nicely. This team then gets an automatic place in an expanded 4 team WCC.
The winners of the Grand final are crowned 'Premiers' (or 'Grand Final Winners' if you prefer) and would get the 2nd British place in the WCC. If the 'Champions' and 'Premiers' are the same team, the 2nd placed team at the end of the regular season would get the 2nd WCC challenge place.
Every game now counts!
2) Stop the talent drain to NRL/RU
No brainer. Allow unlimited sponsorship off the cap. Also take ALL players with 10 years or more at 1 club off the cap. Give greater incentives for players brought through a club's own system.
3) Negotiate a better TV deal.
Perhaps easier to say than do, however we are the 2nd most watched sport on Sky (or so we are constantly told). How come that doesn't equate to the 2nd biggest deal? Ratings are king in TV. Try booking ad time during Corrie for an illustration of this principle.
Those 3 measures alone would alter the perception of the game at a stroke. I could add more ideas without even thinking about it. Why are the administrators of our game struggling? The fan's view of our great game has never been more pessimistic at a time when attendances are actually up. How is that possible? Well they say that the impression of any organisation starts at the top. I'll leave you to draw your own conclusions!
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| It seems you're placing a lot of emphasis on the WCC, a game in which NRL teams don't even take seriously, it's usually the first game of their pre-season!
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| Quote: Phuzzy "
1) Make every game count.
The team finishing top are crowned 'Champions' and get a trophy commensurate with this achievement. The trophy that was given to the winners pre-superleague would do nicely. This team then gets an automatic place in an expanded 4 team WCC.
The winners of the Grand final are crowned 'Premiers' (or 'Grand Final Winners' if you prefer) and would get the 2nd British place in the WCC. If the 'Champions' and 'Premiers' are the same team, the 2nd placed team at the end of the regular season would get the 2nd WCC challenge place.
Every game now counts!
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How would this make Salford v Castleford - for example - "count" more?
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| Quote: Phuzzy "With the RFL seemingly unable to find a way to improve the competion I thought now a good time to show the 'brains trust' over at Red Hall just how easy it could be. Get your fingers out you imbeciles!
1) Make every game count.
The team finishing top are crowned 'Champions' and get a trophy commensurate with this achievement. The trophy that was given to the winners pre-superleague would do nicely. This team then gets an automatic place in an expanded 4 team WCC.
The winners of the Grand final are crowned 'Premiers' (or 'Grand Final Winners' if you prefer) and would get the 2nd British place in the WCC. If the 'Champions' and 'Premiers' are the same team, the 2nd placed team at the end of the regular season would get the 2nd WCC challenge place.
Every game now counts!'" Does that ‘make every game count’? What if the title is tied up 5 matches before the end of the season? That would mean nearly 20% of the season was entirely pointless.
If the Championship had already been decided, why would anyone care about being named ‘premiers’? Not only that but if you are already ‘champions’ why would you care if you were also ‘premiers’?
Realistically all you have done is swap the minor premiers and premiers around. You now have a qualifying competition which crowns the champions, and a competition which you have qualified for becoming pointless.
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| You can't just renegotiate the TV contract. Contracts don't work like that. The lawyers would rip you to shreds. Although I do agree that the deal we got was rubbish. ALong with the Stobart deal RL got stung big style.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Does that ‘make every game count’? What if the title is tied up 5 matches before the end of the season? That would mean nearly 20% of the season was entirely pointless.
If the Championship had already been decided, why would anyone care about being named ‘premiers’? Not only that but if you are already ‘champions’ why would you care if you were also ‘premiers’?
Realistically all you have done is swap the minor premiers and premiers around. You now have a qualifying competition which crowns the champions, and a competition which you have qualified for becoming pointless.'"
but the fact remains that in every sport in every game in every league throughout the world, not every game counts. it's impossible to make every game count in a sport where you need to determine a victor and a #1
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| 1. Get Fat Nigel out of Red Hall.
50% of the problem solved right there.
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| Quote: Bill Sonny "but the fact remains that in every sport in every game in every league throughout the world, not every game counts. it's impossible to make every game count in a sport where you need to determine a victor and a #1'" Thats true. But you cant sell naming the champions on the basis of league position because it makes 'every game count' when it doesnt, as you say, no system does.
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| Quote: Phuzzy "With the RFL seemingly unable to find a way to improve the competion I thought now a good time to show the 'brains trust' over at Red Hall just how easy it could be. Get your fingers out you imbeciles!
1) Make every game count.
The team finishing top are crowned 'Champions' and get a trophy commensurate with this achievement. The trophy that was given to the winners pre-superleague would do nicely. This team then gets an automatic place in an expanded 4 team WCC.
The winners of the Grand final are crowned 'Premiers' (or 'Grand Final Winners' if you prefer) and would get the 2nd British place in the WCC. If the 'Champions' and 'Premiers' are the same team, the 2nd placed team at the end of the regular season would get the 2nd WCC challenge place.
Every game now counts!
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This is all hypothetical drivel and opposition fans would see your post as making excuses as to why we didn't finish the job off last season when we were in the box seat
I totally disagree with a first past the post finish should be deemed the "CHAMPIONS" as we as a club brought that accolade to it's knees during our heydays when we had wrapped the title up and with months to spare too and every other team and it's fans went into hibernation and games became totally meaningless fixtures.
Sky TV are our games only life blood and they want to see a top 8 play off series and with the maximum number of TV games to air live on their station and with the GF winners being crowned the ultimate winners,so we are at least stuck with this play off series to at least the 2015 season and possibly even longer if the clubs wont accept a reduced contract payment for a reduced play off series
Should we and probably every other super league side in the competition ask the question as to why only one club can muster the goods when it really matters and not only when they finish 5th either?
Wigan and Warrington should have both won a GF and in any order these past 2 seasons but neither have been able to handle the big games I'm afraid,from our clubs point of view the answers to this lie within our club and not by re-structuring the pay offs structure or by blaming Red Hall
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| I would reduce the number of teams to 10 (Huddersfield, Hull FC, Leeds, Les Catalans, St Helens, Warrington, Wigan and the richest 3 of the teams which are left) all playing each other 3 times, derbys still on magic weekend. Top 5 play offs and a salary cap which the richest 6 would be able to afford. This should increase the quality of the teams, less batterings, less meaningless games
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| Quote: trent "This is all hypothetical drivel and opposition fans would see your post as making excuses as to why we didn't finish the job off last season when we were in the box seat
I totally disagree with a first past the post finish should be deemed the "CHAMPIONS" as we as a club brought that accolade to it's knees during our heydays when we had wrapped the title up and with months to spare too and every other team and it's fans went into hibernation and games became totally meaningless fixtures.
Sky TV are our games only life blood and they want to see a top 8 play off series and with the maximum number of TV games to air live on their station and with the GF winners being crowned the ultimate winners,so we are at least stuck with this play off series to at least the 2015 season and possibly even longer if the clubs wont accept a reduced contract payment for a reduced play off series
Should we and probably every other super league side in the competition ask the question as to why only one club can muster the goods when it really matters and not only when they finish 5th either?
Wigan and Warrington should have both won a GF and in any order these past 2 seasons but neither have been able to handle the big games I'm afraid,from our clubs point of view the answers to this lie within our club and not by re-structuring the pay offs structure or by blaming Red Hall'"
I don't recall us always wrapping it up with months to spare. I do, however, remember winning it on points difference or by a single point just as frequently.
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| Quote: jinkin jimmy "I don't recall us always wrapping it up with months to spare. I do, however, remember winning it on points difference or by a single point just as frequently.
95/96 8pts
94/95 7pts
93/94 points difference
92/93 points difference
91/92 8points
90/91 2points
89/90 4points
out of 7 seasons 3 went to the final day,4 didnt, and 3 made a large part of the season irrelevant.
since 1998, every SL season has come down to the final day, with the top two sides playing each other.
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| I think licencing and a top 8 format would/could have worked. The problems were that things weren't done and kept throughout since licencing began.
Firstly the playoffs. IF the play offs were 1st v8th, 3rd vs 6th, 2nd vs 7th and 4th vs 5th and keep it a straight knock out. It wouldn't matter whether there are 8,10,12, 14 or 100 teams in the league the top team in theory would have the easier route. Obviously any one can win on the day but at least the odds are stacked.
With licencing they could havecut teams that don't offer anything/much to the overall game. Basing it on players that have been brough through the youth system,players brough through the youth that have gone on to represent England, matches won,lost, revenue, salary cap spending these are things off top of my head but the list can go on. Clubs that don't drop them, instead we have got/had the situations with Bradford, Wakey, Crusaders and Salford. IMO all these should be dropped from SL for financial difficulties.
But the above is my opinion and just like s every one has one. And just like the RFL most things they do set off with right intentions however they always mess it up.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "95/96 8pts
94/95 7pts
93/94 points difference
92/93 points difference
91/92 8points
90/91 2points
89/90 4points
out of 7 seasons 3 went to the final day,4 didnt, and 3 made a large part of the season irrelevant.
since 1998, every SL season has come down to the final day, with the top two sides playing each other.'"
The overall seasons had more variety between 89-95, with county cups (to 1993), Regal trophy, relegation / promotion, premiership finals, end of season tours, in-season tours / world cups / world club challenges, so there was always something to play for.
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| If it's obviously so easy I'm amazed even the RFL have not thought of it. I'm not a big fan of Nigel Wood, largely because of the first impression you get of him, as unkind as that might be. But Richard Lewis was far from a stupid, fat Yorkshireman. You don't become Chair of RFL, Chair of SPort England & CEO of WImbledon without ability. And he struggled to progress RL. Perhaps it is more difficult after all?
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