Was watching in parts the Saracens game and they were losing up pops Farrell and puts a short kick in between 2 players (you know the one we see them in RL every week) and they score under the H, Stuart Barnes was estatic and even said that the kick was straight out of the Rugby League manual, Dewi Morris went even further " that one came from Central Park Shaun Edwards Andy Greg Ellery Hanley" i couldn't believe what i was hearing, at last some respect for our game from the other side, by the way Saracens won with that try after losing all the game.

The all-blacks played the RU world cup (from what I have seen) with a RL style. Even their kicking was right out of the NRL textbook.

I think the aussie backs from RL could walk into the RUWC behind a decent pack and run riot. Most of the rugby is just not clever and very boring.

I am so happy for Owen Farrell, Stuart Barnes and Dewi Morris. I am also made up that Owen learned something of Andy.

No, really I am.

Agreed.

The fact that they are now openly admitting that they have basically inherited our proud mantle, and that we are left with a non-achievement culture embodied by Kevin Sinfield and Rangi Chase playing as England's halfbacks, while Gareth Widdup is sitting on the bench and Kyle Eastmond (and probably Joel Tomkins this year, not to mention Sam next year) are chasing careers elsewhere, really makes me excited for the future.

Ohh doing cartwheels here! Rah Rah Rah

Interesting comments. Maybe you could spell out exactly how Widdup, Sam, Joel, Eastmond and Owen Farrell, even his dad Andy, have out-achieved Kevin Sinfield? Most of them may yet do so and some will certainly be more famous but Sinfield has achieved plenty within league.

I'd agree he shouldn't be playing at 6 for England but what's he supposed to do once he's been picked to play there? Withdraw from the team?

Sinfield being selected at 6 with the Melbourne Storm stand-off sat on the bench is only a symptom of the problem.

But don't worry about it. You just keep fiddling while Rome burns.

So just because he is the Melbourne 6 then he has to be the England 6?? This is my problem with him people who don't watch him every week think that because he is in the NRL he has to be first choice.

What he does very well is allows Cronk And Smith to do the chunk of the ball playing and takes pressure off them but IMO he wouldn't work well with Chase because Chase isn't a ball playing SH like Cronk but yesterday we did look better with him on but then again that was when Chase went off.

Sinfield has 6 on his back but is playing organising 7. It's Chase who is (incorrectly) in the team in fromt of Widdop.

After watching yesterday I agree it should be Sinfield and WIddop 6 & 7 use Chase for impact

Fiddling while Rome burns? While you are doing what to change things, exactly?

Like I said, Sinfield shouldn't be playing 6 - and may not do next week. I go along with most of your comments but the culture of underachievement lies squarely within the coaching and selection set-up. Sinfield has actually over-achieved in the game, given some fairly obvious limitations to his game. No doubt he'll prove a more than adequate scapegoat though.

how its changed to sinfield or ronald i dont know but you only have to look at the exiles game to see whos the better 6 or 7 and sinfield wasn't the better 6 rangi run the show that game.

Widdop is not a creative stand off. He rarely makes the plays at Melbourne. Rather he is a running number 6. This is not to say he shouldn't start ahead of Sinfield. It is merely to point out that a lot of English fans think Widdop will tear up the Aussies. He won't as he is not a creative stand off. Alas, to know this would mean that people would have to actually watch the NRL rather than simply going off names and buying into the Australian mythology.

I agree with you but he looks good from what ive seen and running or creative he should be in.

What do people think Sinfield is then? A running or a creative? I think he is neither and am puzzled why he is in the halves at all. Off the last two England games Widdop has looked better than Chase and Sinfield to me and hes had less time on the field. Surely he must be worth a starting slot?

Chase is Dennis Moran all over. Woeful and should not be in the team. Sinfield is a very good player but is never an excellent one. Nor is he a half back. Interestingly, Sinfield's best games for England have been when he has played at No.9. Not that I suggest he go there. I would move to 13. And get Widdop in at 6 and a new no.7.