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Just read Bilko's match preview and noted the frightening ( but unsurprising) statistic about Bentham. Wigan have won only 7 and lost 14 of the 21 matches he has refereed.
When one considers Wigan's record in the past 10 years ( apart from 2006), ie they have won more matches than they have lost, then one must wonder why there is such a discrepancy.
The statistics with Ganson, who we often criticise, refereeing are very different and perhaps what one might expect from a team who win more than they lose: 47 wins and 22 defeats according to Bilko's statistics.
I don't want to increase our paranoia, but maybe questions do need to be asked about this discrepancy - I presume there would be statistics similar to Ganson for the other referees.
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Well i dont know how to explain it but it stands out a mile
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He's a Leigh supporter. Leigh supporters seem to dislike Wigan. I'm sure it affects his decisions.
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Can these statistics not be put in front of Stuart cummings or someone at the RFL, to see if they care to comment ? Even if they dont care to comment, then at least they will have been made aware of them, and moreso, that someone else i.e. us, are aware of them.
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| Quote: Fames "Just read Bilko's match preview and noted the frightening ( but unsurprising) statistic about Bentham. Wigan have won only 7 and lost 14 of the 21 matches he has refereed.
When one considers Wigan's record in the past 10 years ( apart from 2006), ie they have won more matches than they have lost, then one must wonder why there is such a discrepancy.
The statistics with Ganson, who we often criticise, refereeing are very different and perhaps what one might expect from a team who win more than they lose
So approxiametely with Ganson the win to loss ratio is 2:1 whilst with Bentham the loss to win ratio is 2:1.
Surely the figures relating to Ganson should similarly be put in front of the RFL?
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| Quote: Paul Youane "So approxiametely with Ganson the win to loss ratio is 2
You are not applying the ratio's in context to Wigans win/loss ratio though, which if applied, then Gansons in not out of kilt, yet Benthams is totally against the grain and cannot be explained.
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| Quote: Paul Youane "So approxiametely with Ganson the win to loss ratio is 2
Not if our overall win:loss ratio is also about 2:1, as that would show that Ganson was about the same as all the other refs, whereas Bentham was way off the overall average. Don't know the exact figures but I could easily believe that we've won twice as many as we've lost in the SL years.
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| Quote: Paul Youane "Quote: Paul Youane "Just read Bilko's match preview and noted the frightening ( but unsurprising) statistic about Bentham. Wigan have won only 7 and lost 14 of the 21 matches he has refereed.
When one considers Wigan's record in the past 10 years ( apart from 2006), ie they have won more matches than they have lost, then one must wonder why there is such a discrepancy.
The statistics with Ganson, who we often criticise, refereeing are very different and perhaps what one might expect from a team who win more than they lose
So approxiametely with Ganson the win to loss ratio is 2
No they shouldn't! The fact remains Wigan have consistently been one of the better teams in the past 10-15 years of SL, despite not winning much silverware. This is always shown by the Sky match statistics at the start of a game - I'm pretty certain Wigan have even a better win/loss record against Saints and Leeds in this period! You will thus see that Wigan's win/loss ratio is similar to Ganson's for all referees ( apart from Alibert where I think we've got a 100% win ratio!)
It is only with Bentham that there is the huge discrepancy.
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Had a quick look thro the stats since Bentham's first game in SL and our win/loss ratio is 74/51, if you exclude Bentham's 7/14 the ratio us 67/37 when Bentham isn't refereeing. I'm not a Statistician but in a mathematical analysis Bentham's figures would be classed as an extraordinary variance form the expected.
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Are IL and the Wigan club aware of this? And I'd love to know what Cummins and the RL would make of this extraordinary variance from the norm.
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Bentham was on GMR last night. I listened in for a short while, while I was in the car, but no-one challenged this 'variable' either by text or by phone. Did anyone ring in ?
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| Quote: Finfin "Had a quick look thro the stats since Bentham's first game in SL and our win/loss ratio is 74/51, if you exclude Bentham's 7/14 the ratio us 67/37 when Bentham isn't refereeing. I'm not a Statistician but in a mathematical analysis Bentham's figures would be classed as an extraordinary variance form the expected.'"
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| Quote: Fames "No they shouldn't! The fact remains Wigan have consistently been one of the better teams in the past 10-15 years of SL, despite not winning much silverware. This is always shown by the Sky match statistics at the start of a game - I'm pretty certain Wigan have even a better win/loss record against Saints and Leeds in this period! You will thus see that Wigan's win/loss ratio is similar to Ganson's for all referees ( apart from Alibert where I think we've got a 100% win ratio!)
It is only with Bentham that there is the huge discrepancy.'"
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| Quote: moonlight flit "Bentham was on GMR last night. I listened in for a short while, while I was in the car, but no-one challenged this 'variable' either by text or by phone. Did anyone ring in ?'"
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Absoulute disgrace. He quite clearly hates us and iv heard many a story were he has publicly admitted this in certain places.
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