quinns came for it and got it its simple has that, im not making excuses saying he was out they was out we should have done this we should have done that, nice one quinns.

They did.

But was going for 2 in the second half instead of going at them when they sounded on the ropes the turning point?

Yeah well done to them, it didnt look like a top v bottom clash thats for sure, they were superb today

Was a strange decision as we got a penalty and tapped then two tackles later we got the second penalty in more or less the same position and went for the two.

Congrats to Quins, end of the day we were outplayed and too lethargic in the 2nd half to deserve the win.

Turning point for me was the penalty in Quins half about 15 mins into the 2nd half, I thought taking the shot at goal was negative given the good start Quins had made after half time.

Pressures on now to come up with a performance at Murrayfield next week and we only have ourselves to blame.

Well done to Quins. Our defence was poor in the 2nd half.

Best shout of the night was from a bloke behind me in the East Stand. Jonny Walker comes onto the pitch for his debut. The blokes shouts "give it to Jonny Walker we need some spirit". It got a round of applause that one.

The turning point for me was Bentham turning down what looked like a good try for Farrell imo but fair play to Quins they got what they deserved.

I've been saying for weeks and weeks that Maguire and Wane changing 15 years worth of complacency bedded into the clubs mindset will take more then just 4 or 5 months and the last 3 weeks has proved that. The players turned up at Salford looking like they thought they just needed to be there to get the win and have followed that up with similar showings in the past 2 weeks. This defeat tonight has been coming and lessons need to be learned.

The real key to the last few weeks preformences has been a real lack of patience with the ball and just a general poor attitude. I'm sure Maguire and Wane will sort that out soon enough though and we'll get back on track.

Congrats to Quins, fully deserved and no complaints from me apart from the gutless response from last weeks display.

Luke Dorn ripped us to pieces.

Once they bring Aussie methods of salary cap cheating into Wigan RL you'll be sorted.

Have to agree that since the Easter period there does appear to have been a slip in the high standards that we'd set previously. I'm just hoping that only this loss is needed to provide the wake up call that's needed.

Well done Quinns. The better team on the day took the 2 points. No complaints from me.

As for our own performance, you're right NK about the last 3 weeks. The lethargy was evident at Salford and that's why I said MM had made his first mistake in not resting players last week. Instead of fresh players coming into the game this week against SL opposition, we picked up 3 more injuries from that game and had no energy in attack or defense for much of tonight's. The fact that we were so comprehensively out-enthused in the 2nd half illustrates that perfectly for me. This wasn't like the Bradford defeat where we simply put the cue on the rack. Tonight we had no cue to put there! Lessons to be leaned indeed!

There was nothing wrong with Farrells try it happended right in front of me it was a try fair and square.