Just looking on the crusaders RL web-site, at their fixture list.

Of their 13 home matches, only 5 have yet to be confirmed as taking place at Wrexham FC:

vs Harlequins on Friday 2nd April
vs Wigan on Saturday 22nd May
vs Bradford on Saturday 12th June
vs Castleford on Saturday 24th July
vs Hull KR on Saturday 4th September

With them already stating that 2 matches will be played "on the road" in South Wales, I would say that we have a high percentage chance of being one of them.
Quins on a Friday - not likely to move, I'd say, leaving a 50% chance.

It would really annoy me, as whilst I don't agree with them moving the team across the country, I agree even less with most fans having a 1 to 2 hour drive to get there whilst 2 sets of fans face a 4 to 5 hour drive, depending on traffic.

Everything about Crusaders just seems to be annoying me right now - Noble, financial trouble, visa irregularities, moving away from their (small) fan-base - And this is just one more thing to add to the list.

Quote: Pie Eyed "Just looking on the crusaders RL web-site, at their fixture list. Of their 13 home matches, only 5 have yet to be confirmed as taking place at Wrexham FCEverything about Crusaders just seems to be annoying me right now - Noble, financial trouble, visa irregularities, moving away from their (small) fan-base - And this is just one more thing to add to the list.'" Your info is a little out of date i think Link here www.crusadersrfl.com/fixtures.php I believe 3 are being played in Neath Can i ask why the bit in bold is anoying you. Noble ?? Financial trouble? New owner has sorted that out just like we had to have someone step in to bail us out a few years ago Visa? That was last year under the old owner Small fan base? to a much larger one in Wrexham tonights game is nearly a sell out only 200 tickets left over 10.000 is not to bad for a first game in a new area i dont think.

Quote: Pie Eyed "Just looking on the crusaders RL web-site, at their fixture list. Of their 13 home matches, only 5 have yet to be confirmed as taking place at Wrexham FCEverything about Crusaders just seems to be annoying me right now - Noble, financial trouble, visa irregularities, moving away from their (small) fan-base - And this is just one more thing to add to the list.'" Your info is a little out of date i think Link here www.crusadersrfl.com/fixtures.php I believe 3 are being played in Neath Can i ask why the bit in bold is anoying you. Noble ?? Financial trouble? New owner has sorted that out just like we had to have someone step in to bail us out a few years ago Visa? That was last year under the old owner Small fan base? to a much larger one in Wrexham tonights game is nearly a sell out only 200 tickets left over 10.000 is not to bad for a first game in a new area i dont think.

Surely our game will be at Wrexham. If they want to make that a long term home then games against Wigan, Bradford, Saints, Leeds, Warrington etc have to be played at Wrexham because they'll draw the biggest crowds with the biggest away supports.

I know Wigan are a big draw and a move to South Wales may draw better crowd there but really whats the point? If they're staying in Wrexham play the games in Wrexham.

It was confirmed long ago the two south wales games were Bradford and Catalans. The rest are at Wrexham as far as I'm aware.

I'm quite happy to watch the game in the South Wales. Its a much easier trip for me. And, quite frankly, all these home games we play at the DW Stadium which is a good 4 - 5 hour drive on a Friday evening are just damned inconsiderate.

It says the Catalans game is at Wrexham on their website.

Harlequins sorry not Catalans. Thats what they said in mid December as discussed here - rlforums.rlfans.com/viewtopic.php?frl

Thier old website was more clear.

TBH there are several reasons to be positive about Crusaders:

A town that seems to want them
Good ticket sales
Good stadium
Noble
Reliable kit manufacturer
Good sponsors

Yes, they moved across Wales, and yes they are nearer to the "heartlands" but my god, lets give the new club a chance.

But that's the point.

It's not a "new club" - It's a failed club that's being allowed to start again as if last year was just a practise run.

As I said. they should have been put in to the National Leagues, where they could both prove themselves, build a fan-base and prepare for the step up to SL.

Surely the simple answer to all of these gripes is simple. Don't go and watch them either home or away, it won't take long for every other club to get sick of the lack of gate at home and the message would be clear to the RFL.

Crusaders problems are not popular by a long way but I'm not sure they are a new club. They haven't been put into administration that I know of.
Loads of "heartlands" clubs have been in admin and been started again as "new" clubs.
Bradford, HKR, Widnes, Rochdale, Oldham to name a few.

Celtic's problems are no longer financial, they are their squad. Noble has not had time to sign and train them and quality is going to be a problem.
End of season they are eveyone's 14th club including mine.

However they do have a good ground and it will likely bring in more revenue than the likes of Salford or Quins. Their overall revenue situation will depend on the crowds. Long term they will attract players from areas west of the pennines and we need a SL club nearer to us than S Wales.

The original difficulties with Celtic have been overcome and the outcome is that where as five years ago we didn't have any clubs in Wales we now have two.
Hopefully from 2012 there will be 5 SL clubs near to us. Saints, Wire, Salford, Widnes and Crusaders. With two outside the northern areas Quins & Cats.
The Celtic situation could have ended far worse for Rugby League than it has and in that respect I'm more than happy with the outcome.

The Harlequins game is going to be in South Wales, 100% certain.

London got RFL help on more than one occasion and any new team that is started to expand the game will get the same.

They have found a new backer and a ground which is one of the better ones in Super League. A very good potential fan base yes they have been pulled out of the proverbial but at least give them to the middle of next season to prove themselves under the new management. Then if they have not improved then complain to the RFL to stop them getting a new franchise.

What difference does travel time make, FFS?

How do you think football or yawnion fans get on? They travel up and down the country to get to away matches on a regular basis, so why is it such a big problem when we have to do it once in a blue moon?

Get a grip.