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Dont post very often but just seen on the wigan board that some fans think that SL is poor this season cos they have managed to finish 6th. They've been average this season and finished in an average postion (just above half way). Why does that make the rest of us poor?

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Why not reply to the post on that thread?

And the reason some people are saying this is because we have been very poor this season yet have still finished comfortably in the play offs and got a home draw.

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Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good - sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league - Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate - the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever - Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go - Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know - FIOS:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_39110.jpg



Quote: Giant Leopard "Dont post very often but just seen on the wigan board that some fans think that SL is poor this season cos they have managed to finish 6th. They've been average this season and finished in an average postion (just above half way). Why does that make the rest of us poor?'"


Wigan could of won 3 more games and finished second in the table and yet for most of this season we have been poor, a team like us this season being 3 games away from second shows how poor the league is.

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Here we go.....

Hudds have had their best ever year (which doesn’t say much about their insignificant club imo) so this must mean that SL has improved this season.

The facts are there for everyone to see……..

The top two teams are weaker than last season

Teams like Warrington, Cas, Wakey, Catalan and Hull KR have played well in parts but i'm sure neither set of fans are truly happy with how their season has gone. Warrington, Cas and Catalan in particular haven’t lived up or delivered on their undoubted talent they have in their squads.

Wigan, Hull FC, Quins and Bradford have been awful this season but yet Bradford just missed out on the top eight and Wigan finished comfortably in there???

Celtic have been one of the worst teams I’ve ever watched in SL. Fair play to Salford they have done what’s expected and could have a good future but Celtic haven’t shown me anything to suggest they will be a success.

Who is gonna be the MOS this season? Who has delivered the kind of performances week in week out that players such as Cunningham, Long, Radders, Sculthorpe, Vainikolo, Farrell, Lam, Barrett have in previous seasons?

I’m sorry but this season has been one of the poorest I’ve seen.

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Four words...

[sizeBRING BACK THE BIFF![/size

That's why I love watching Leeds Saints matches. There's real passion and although neither set of players like the other, there's a great respect on show.

The rest of SL is just pretty boring to be honest. I think I will have watched the least amount of games on Sky this year than in any previous SL season, because I'm just not bothered anymore.

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Quote: thepriestman85 "Here we go.....

Hudds have had their best ever year (which doesn’t say much about their insignificant club imo) so this must mean that SL has improved this season.

The facts are there for everyone to see……..

The top two teams are weaker than last season

Teams like Warrington, Cas, Wakey, Catalan and Hull KR have played well in parts but i'm sure neither set of fans are truly happy with how their season has gone. Warrington, Cas and Catalan in particular haven’t lived up or delivered on their undoubted talent they have in their squads.

Wigan, Hull FC, Quins and Bradford have been awful this season but yet Bradford just missed out on the top eight and Wigan finished comfortably in there???

Celtic have been one of the worst teams I’ve ever watched in SL. Fair play to Salford they have done what’s expected and could have a good future but Celtic haven’t shown me anything to suggest they will be a success.

Who is gonna be the MOS this season? Who has delivered the kind of performances week in week out that players such as Cunningham, Long, Radders, Sculthorpe, Vainikolo, Farrell, Lam, Barrett have in previous seasons?

I’m sorry but this season has been one of the poorest I’ve seen.'"


Que the 2 goons Eddie & Stevo, "It just goes to show the salary cap is working". I'm with you the quality of rugby and the season as a whole has been gash.
I bet the Aussie's are 5h1ting themselves.

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Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good - sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league - Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate - the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever - Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go - Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know - FIOS:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_39110.jpg



Worst season I have ever seen. I hope the play-offs makes me change my mind.

I think the reason I am disapointed is...

A) Wigan have been awful most of the time really....

B) The world cup was really good IMO I loved the rugby on show other than England and I suppose I wanted quality like this in super league, but no chance of that.

C) Most teams have been worse this season than last!

D) The refs have been terrible and spoiled games at times!

E) there have been less exciting games.

F) There have not been enough stand out players.

G) All of these things have taken away the enjoyment of gameday and the atmosphere has been poor due to poor rugby.

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[color=#FF4000:3htgpm5r][quote:3htgpm5r]I read that Leeds-Bradford is an airport and that Wigan-St Helens is a rivalry. It's one I can't wait for[/quote:3htgpm5r] Ryan Hoffman [quote:3htgpm5r]After all, rugby league has a history of ideas that appear madcap at first but are taken up elsewhere, usually by rugby union[/quote:3htgpm5r] Christopher Irvine - The Times [quote:3htgpm5r] Wire fans, like Leeds fans, are fickle as feck, and mostly glory supporters. [/quote:3htgpm5r] Sherbert Dip - Leeds Fan [quote:3htgpm5r]I will never forget that atmosphere at Knowsley Road on Good Friday when the final hooter sounded. On behalf of all the fellas thank you so much for being the greatest fans in the world.[/quote:3htgpm5r] Phil Bailey[/color:3htgpm5r]:



Quote: Odemwingie "Worst season I have ever seen. I hope the play-offs makes me change my mind.

I think the reason I am disapointed is...

A) Wigan have been awful most of the time really....

B) The world cup was really good IMO I loved the rugby on show other than England and I suppose I wanted quality like this in super league, but no chance of that.

C) Most teams have been worse this season than last!

D) The refs have been terrible and spoiled games at times!

E) there have been less exciting games.

F) There have not been enough stand out players.

G) All of these things have taken away the enjoyment of gameday and the atmosphere has been poor due to poor rugby.'"


I 100% agree with you, which makes a change icon_wink.gif

Good post.

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Theres a reason why many of the Superleague games on TV down here get shafted to a 1am time slot. Ive seen quite alot of the games, and the quality has been poor, especially compared to the standards of the NRL.

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[color=#FF4000:3htgpm5r][quote:3htgpm5r]I read that Leeds-Bradford is an airport and that Wigan-St Helens is a rivalry. It's one I can't wait for[/quote:3htgpm5r] Ryan Hoffman [quote:3htgpm5r]After all, rugby league has a history of ideas that appear madcap at first but are taken up elsewhere, usually by rugby union[/quote:3htgpm5r] Christopher Irvine - The Times [quote:3htgpm5r] Wire fans, like Leeds fans, are fickle as feck, and mostly glory supporters. [/quote:3htgpm5r] Sherbert Dip - Leeds Fan [quote:3htgpm5r]I will never forget that atmosphere at Knowsley Road on Good Friday when the final hooter sounded. On behalf of all the fellas thank you so much for being the greatest fans in the world.[/quote:3htgpm5r] Phil Bailey[/color:3htgpm5r]:



Quote: Bondi_Warrior "Theres a reason why many of the Superleague games on TV down here get shafted to a 1am time slot. Ive seen quite alot of the games, and the quality has been poor, especially compared to the standards of the NRL.'"


That's a massive point.

I think it comes down to the super stars that you have. Name one player in super league that has regulallry broken the line, or that is exciting to watch.

Name one player who is Super League's Slater, Inglis, Folau or Hayne.

We have no "freaks" as they are often called. We went to Aus in the summer and watched a number of games, the standard is a million miles higher than the Super League.

The Super League has, this year, been a contradiction in terms.

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Well for starters, look at the options at fullback for Aus and then look at ours. I have pretty much no confidence in England beating Aus this year. I have no idea why im bothering heading home to watch the 4 nations. There is so much quality down here yet very limited back in England. I cant think of any England player that could make the Aus team.

We struggle to pick a decent 17, Aus struggle to get down to a squad of 17

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[color=#000000:1qsyq8gi]Wigan Warriors 2010:[/color:1qsyq8gi] [color=red:1qsyq8gi]Super League Champions League Leaders Under 20's Champions Club of The Year Floodlit 9's Winners Pat Richards: Man Of Steel Sam Tomkins: Young Player of the Year Michael Maguire: Coach of the Year[/color:1qsyq8gi] [quote="Wire_91":1qsyq8gi]its your first final in about 8 years and now you ravin and rantin about it F**k off, and ill be going old trafford tomoz cheering on the saints and ill be writing on this forum givin you loads of shi* when your drying you eyes and the wire fan will be here handing out the tissues in the thousands, thats if you do take that many fans cause now it looks like its your fans who have jumped on the band wagon now your in a final, this time last year there was only 1000 people in the jjb and now its fillin up cause youve won the league hahaha proper true supporters you are[/quote:1qsyq8gi]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_26076.jpg



Must admit this season has been disappointing, used to go to every game home and away year in year out, but this year been to all home games cause of the Season Tickess, all CC games and about 2 away games, its just not worth all the money when you dont know if your gonna get an 'ársed' performance from the team. Has improved abit though since some of the younger players have come through.

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Quote: Odemwingie "Worst season I have ever seen. I hope the play-offs makes me change my mind.

I think the reason I am disapointed is...

A) Wigan have been awful most of the time really....

B) The world cup was really good IMO I loved the rugby on show other than England and I suppose I wanted quality like this in super league, but no chance of that.

C) Most teams have been worse this season than last!

D) The refs have been terrible and spoiled games at times!

E) there have been less exciting games.

F) There have not been enough stand out players.

G) All of these things have taken away the enjoyment of gameday and the atmosphere has been poor due to poor rugby.'"
i know i'm biase but bloody hell!
you could paraphrase what you've said into...wigan are poor therefore superleague is poor! we've (the wire) have had a pretty up and down season, won the cup, didn't make the play offs. but briers' drop goal in the QF's along with a few matches where warrington have played to their potential make me view this season differntly than you. i';m not gonna say it..well yes i am.. your arrogant belief that the season is reflected in how well or not wigan play is sad and twenty years out of date.
hull kr, huddersfield and cas have had good seasons and are knocking on the door so to speak, yes i'm as biased as you are but morley and carvell have stood out this season as has tomkins for you to name a few, there are more.. get over yourself and stop moaning!

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Quote: SLIMply the best "i know i'm biase but bloody hell!
you could paraphrase what you've said into...wigan are poor therefore superleague is poor! we've (the wire) have had a pretty up and down season, won the cup, didn't make the play offs. but briers' drop goal in the QF's along with a few matches where warrington have played to their potential make me view this season differntly than you. i';m not gonna say it..well yes i am.. your arrogant belief that the season is reflected in how well or not wigan play is sad and twenty years out of date.
hull kr, huddersfield and cas have had good seasons and are knocking on the door so to speak, yes i'm as biased as you are but morley and carvell have stood out this season as has tomkins for you to name a few, there are more.. get over yourself and stop moaning!'"


Some people's level of unhappiness is coming from the season over all, Wigan's performance overall, and some of the other teams overall. There have been a few matches were Wigan have played fantastically (e.g. Leeds at home). How is it possibly twenty years out of date to feel a lack of satisfaction with the SL product on offer? It's actually a really modern attitude to expect more and more, and continuous development and improvement.

It's also compounded by the fact that the NRL this year has shown that continued development and improvement, were they took an already great product, and made it even better (e.g. the two ref system and cleaning up the PTB)

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Quote: SLIMply the best "i know i'm biase but bloody hell!
you could paraphrase what you've said into...wigan are poor therefore superleague is poor! we've (the wire) have had a pretty up and down season, won the cup, didn't make the play offs. but briers' drop goal in the QF's along with a few matches where warrington have played to their potential make me view this season differntly than you. i';m not gonna say it..well yes i am.. your arrogant belief that the season is reflected in how well or not wigan play is sad and twenty years out of date.
hull kr, huddersfield and cas have had good seasons and are knocking on the door so to speak, yes i'm as biased as you are but morley and carvell have stood out this season as has tomkins for you to name a few, there are more.. get over yourself and stop moaning!'"


You say our attitude is out of date, yet actually so is yours.

Everything's going well at Warrington, to all must be right in the British RL garden? Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that what you're saying?

We said the same when all was going well at our club. We were wrong then, and you are wrong now.

There's a bigger picture which can only really be measured by the financial health of the game, which is dire, by the strength of its weakest links, which is equally dire (so dire in fact that this will eventually prevent the RFL enforcing its SL criteria, because if/when Saints, Salford, Cas, Wakey etc actually fail to deliver their new stadia, can you really see them all being chucked out?), and by its international status, which is monumentally dire - even as far as our RL cousins are concerned we are a complete joke.

Sky may have some better balanced matches to screen, but thus far SL has not strengthened the game sufficiently to ensure its long-term survival as a pro sport.

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Matches on TV
Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds-Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield-Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Hull KR
Sat 8th Mar
SL
17:30
Catalans-Leeds
Sun 9th Mar
SL
17:30
Warrington-Wakefield
SL
17:30
Wigan-Huddersfield
Thu 20th Mar
SL
20:00
Salford-Huddersfield
Fri 21st Mar
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Warrington
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
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