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Surely this has to be some kind of wind up both Saints and Wire as well as ourselves are trying to sign/resign Coley. Come on pull the other one.

Anyone seen that try from Craig Calvert on sky sports tonight? No winger at Wigan could of scored that.

Great try

I do want certain players out. Not because I have anything against them personally or some sort of vendetta. I just believe the performances they have put in at Wigan (namely Phil Bailey and Andy Coley) over the course of their entire stay at Wigan (not just the last few weeks) has not been up to the standard that will take us into the top two. They have both been average at best and now that both their contracts are up we have the chance to release them and strengthen in the forwards. Something we have been needing to do for the last two seasons.



I don't think this applies to me - more to you. I have stated my reasons and both times you have replied you told me to not watch Wigan next season and that you think you know more than me. You have offered nothing to the debate and can't offer me any reasons against my argument.



But some of them are or are not up to a good enough standard to break into the top two. Hence our current position and hence we have never been near Saints or Leeds for 4/5 years?



Of course I can but can you not be realistic about anything?



That is very rich coming from someone who has offered absolutely nothing to this debate.

What exactly are you referring to here?

Unbelievable try!

He's a player i think a few superleague teams have looked at for a number of years now but nobody has ever taken a punt on him.

We don't need any wingers but there must be a superleague side that could mould him into a better player.

ok here goes....It just seems that you think other clubs would not be interested in the likes of coley and bailey because your opinion of them is so low. saints have enforcer props in graham etc and realistically might want coley who is solid in defence and quite quick for a prop to sit on there bench as fourth choice prop. So to would wire. The qualities they have will be snapped up at other clubs. I understand that we dont have an enforcer prop and need one (Coley is certainly not that) but I would still like to see him being kept on at Wigan for the same reasons that the likes of saints, wire and possibly hudds are interested in having him at their clubs for.
Do you kind of understand the point i am making? I still want to see Kite and Webb here, dont get me wrong.

If we signed Coley and he continues to play the way he has played over the last 2 years, I would be very dissapointed.

If he signed for Saints, he would get coached into playing his weight and would be a very good standard.

Unless something drastic happens to the coaching setup at Wigan, its a lose-lose situation.

I think he has been the form prop since the salford game, not disappointed at all with his performances of late.
I do agree that coaching has a lot to do with the performances, but not just
him , all the team . A new coach would possible bring the best out of them.

This is a key point.

There are plenty of good players at Wigan. Most of the first team would get into any other first team in the competition.

There are two questions here: Why do good players become average players when they're at Wigan? And why do average players at Wigan become good players when they go somewhere else?

Two questions - and one answer.

Calvert played for Wigan.

Yet still, that isn't very good.

As usual we over-bill our form players, and he's played a lot better of late yet he cannot resist stopping before he hits the line, running sideways and knocking on.

Surely coaching the first two out of him would make him a far better player?

Didn't know that.

Was he on trial at some point?