What are your thoughts on the subject? as personally I think it is now time for Brian 'Nobby' Noble to call it a day!

I have had a nice LONG think about it and came up with Andy Farrell and Shaun Edwards coming as a joint management team

I believe Edwards is a little 'pi$$ed off' at a few Wasps players leaving to French RUFC teams and he may see this as a way out???

Farrell has the drive and influence to sort the the dressing room out (if there is an underlying issue, other than Noble?)

What are your thoughts... time starts now!

Why would Faz take it? It is nothing but poison. Wigan can not win everytying, contrary to fan expectation. Thus any coach will end up getting booted.

Not going to happen for years and the odds must be 1%, but if it happen, this video explains what would happen to me: www.youtube.com/watch?v=20HTTZWQJSA

Not going to happen for years and the odds must be 1%, but if it happen, this video explains what would happen to me: www.youtube.com/watch?v=20HTTZWQJSA

Totally agree bout Wigan not winning anything... but you need to consider the talent that is at Wigan should realistically be able to challenge for or even win the Super League / Challenge Cup as they aint won it in DONKEY YEARS!!!

Faz is a great influence and he wud command more respect from the team than any other person who can be thought of... alongside Shaun Edwards I think it would work quite well.

The other option I guess is to put Shaun Wayne in charge and see how he does... but then if things don't work out his name will be tarnished and the quality of the u21 / acadamy performances would suffer as a consequence.

TOUGH CALL IS IT NOT

I would be happy if we played inventive rugby and lost... than the 5 drives and a kick method, currently used by the one they call 'Nobby'!!!

When we came out second half against Castleford we showed some initiative and worked hard on passing the ball around with pace and mixing it up a little... we are so predictable it is BAD!

Edwards will not take on the poison chalice that is clear, he's a massive fan, he would never risk souring that. Faz is still v. comfortable in Rah Rah and there's no indication he'd give that up. I'd also want to see him serve an apprenticeship before he had any sort of coaching role. Being a good coach has nothing to do with playing ability.

In terms of coaches, Nobby is the best british option available imho, whether he is the best available is another matter. But there's no need to jump on the bandwagon just yet.

What would people's feelings be on Edwards if he took over and failed miserably?

The same as it is with everyone else. They'd want him out, and why not - failure is no use to a club like Wigan.

I love the idea of Edwards, but Faz has little coaching experience, and assuming a guy will automatically make a good coach because he was once a good captain is rolling back our thinking to the days of Alex Murphy and Dougie Laughton.

Wigan desperately need an intellect of the game. Someone like Graham Lowe, who doesn't come in on a fanfare of playing achievements, but combines modern thinking, professional organisation and thorough preparation for each match. He doesn't have to be a big character; he just needs to know the game inside-out and have a track record at the highest level (i.e. in the NRL), and be able to apply the latest tactics and techniques.

It won't be easy securing one of those guys, but I reckon we're reaching a make or break period and perhaps it's time we went out on a financial limb. One thing we definitely don't need is to take a chance - and I think we'd be doing exactly that with Faz, unless he was to come in as someone else's assistant first.

Faz - seriously - still playing RU, zero coaching experience I don't think so.Totally the wrong type of appointment.

As Cruncher said a Graham Lowe/John Monie type coach is what the club desperately needs - not a shouter/motivator type. But if anyone else does come to the club they will need the full backing of the Chariman especially in paying for the recruitment of a top class backroom team - something which the club is sadly lacking at present.

The problems we have require a more root and branch solution that merely swapping coaches. It appears yet another coach has lost the dressing room. What the hell is the problem with this club? There just isn't the same "pull together" spirit you see at other, successful clubs.

I ask this question in all seriousness. Could the fact that we are tenants (and second class ones at that) at the JJB be a factor? Did we lose something in moving there?

I think that's more likely to be of relevance to the fans than the players. No player at Wigan now remembers anything other than the JJB. But even if they do, they'll have to live with it. Unfortunately, there's no alternative to playing at the JJB at present.

A couple of years ago, when we were facing relegation, there were some who thought being dropped would give us the opportunity to completely rebuild this club from top to bottom up.

I guess this is what you mean by your 'root and branch' overhaul. I don't think it's quite as drastic as that, but I do think - if Noble is now a spent force, and this is not just some disastrous blip - that he needs to be replaced. I don't think that, man for man, Wigan's first team squad is worse than anyone else's. But it's plain even to a Wigan 'loyalist' like me that we are playing a near-amateurish game to compared to most other SL clubs. I hate to agree with other posters who've tried to make themselves legends on here by doing nothing but attacking Noble in the most bitter ways, but we lack the systems and structure to tackle the better sides. If the head-coach can't see that, then he obviously isn't the right man for the job.

It's always easy to call for a coach's head on the back of defeat, and we've done it too often at Wigan in the past, but Nobby's now well into his third year, and the situ is not improving in any tangible way.

I disagree with you. Swapping one coach for another may work, if the replacement is a top man who knows his job.

Thoughtful response as always but I'm not convinced that it's a lack of ability that is the problem, having spoken to Nobby after the game. He claims that the players simply aren't following instructions or putting into practice set plays that have been worked on in training. One of our imports in particular was singled out for criticism and he intimated that heads will role.

IMO he has no choice but to take drastic action. Riddell, Roberts and Smith are miles away from either form or fitness and should be replaced until they discover both. What's the worst that can happen? We have replacement for all in McIllorum, Richards and Tompkins. Stick with Ainscough and go with one hooker. If something happens and we have to change, then Tommy can step in for a spell at hooker and Lockers can go stand off. Not ideal I know but the way we are going the coach has to do something.

No disagreements on that at all.

Riddell has been a big disappointment thus far, while Smith - though he undoubtedly has talent - seems to be way off the pace in many areas. I'm not going to pass judgement on Roberts yet, as it's early days for him. Plus, I thought he showed touches of pace and class (and I'd much rather have him at 1 than Mathers).

But you're right - even if IL is minded to replace Noble, I think he'd be rash to do it straight away. If we're still in this mess mid-season, he'll have no alternative. But in the meantime, if Nobby has the rocks to drop those players who are not performing, then I'd give him my support.

The time is surely right to bring in Sam Tomkins - I don't see what we'd have to lose to be honest. And I'd tell Riddell that he's on the sidelines until he loses that ridiculous spare tyre.

A new coach is not the answer.
Noble can bring succes back to Wigan given time. He won't need too much either if he's allowed to bring in the players we need.
Our pack is under powered.
The three top teams, Leeds, Saints & Cats have big powerful forwards who when interchanged provide 80 minutes of relentless go forward power.
We are nowhere near.
Brian Noble knows more than anyone how to put a powerful pack together. He needs to be allowed to do it.
We should have brought a prop in this year but didn't. Did IL spend all the available money on the accelerate squad leaving Noble with hardly any funds at all?
We need a prop now and another when Coley departs end of 2009. Only when we have four, big, poweful props plus back up will we start to compete for trophies.
Fans complain about Tim Smith but he's playing behind a beaten pack. No half back can do it under those circumstances.
Brian Noble must stay and be allowed to build up our pack.
Ian Lenagan asked at a fans forum that he be given time and for the supporters to stay with club. I hope he gives Brian Noble time and allows him to stay at the club.
If he can win trophies at Bradford by having the players then he must be given time to bring the right players into Wigan.