In one of IL's first fan forums he asked us if we as a club needed to be nicer. This was on the back of salary cap breaches and IL believed that we had to be squeaky clean in future to make us more well liked in the game, and the fans seemed to agree with this. 10 years later and we have generally been good, a couple of lapses with Wane's comments to bash them in Australia, which were pretty much hot air and not (unfortunately in my opinion) acted on in the Roosters game, along with the Flower incident which was generally seen to be well handled by the club, IL even saying that he wouldn't have wanted us to win the match in such circumstances. We have been a positive influence on the game generally over the last 10 years, continuing to produce more players than anyone else which shores up other teams in the game, along with going to Aus and London, while producing a generally young, British team rather then be a pension fund for over the hill Aussies.

And guess what, we are still the most hated club in the league despite despicable assaults on our players from the likes of Westwood and Ferres.

So maybe it is time for IL and his team to stand up for us and publically create about decisions like Clubb on Saturday, the extremely dubious semi final officiating and the Leeds try in the 2015 Grand Final. I am sick of the club saying that the best team won, guess what 14+6 from Tony's try = 20 points which would have given us a win on Saturday. Don't find many people criticising the Saints team from the noughties for being outplayed for 70 minutes and going on to win - instead labelling it "Never write off the Saints".

Also Wane needs to stand up and actually prove his tough man approach rather then use it as a soundbite, can you imagine the Leeds team with their hairy d pros or someone like Wilkin letting Sneyd run the game in a dinner suit on Saturday. As another poster mentioned Shaun Long was a master at this. We have some tough hombres in the team - MM, Bateman, Leluia, Shaun - one of them should have been instructed to sort Sneyd out, our game is too sanitised and we wouldn't be any more unpopular so what does that matter.

I'm sort of with you on this. Was saying to my brother before KO on Saturday all we had to do was pressurise Sneyd and then I'd be happy to back our pace against their power, but what did we do? We gave him literally 20m to place his kicks where he liked. In the NRL every kicker gets flattened, every time. Over here it's a different story and a much easier ride for half backs.

Did you watch the Hull v Leeds semi final?
The Clubb try should have been given, but in the build up to the Burgess try Marshalls foot touched the dead ball line and it should have been a drop out with us giving Hull the ball.

But there were 3 PTB's and a penalty after that happened so you can't say that Burgess try was a direct result of that

It doesn't matter how nice we are as a club. The collective "RL Family" will always hold a major chip on their shoulder regarding us, mostly through sheer jealousy and bitterness. I have tried to reason with some of them over the years (mainly the small town Yorkshire folk), complete waste of breath.

Surely that's a 20 metre restart for us as he gathered the ball with his foot on the line - therefore the ball went out from the kick.

Your right the ref was just inconsistent though. Petty I know but in the first half Burgess was obstucted every time going for the ball, we did it first time in the second half and penalty. It was a penalty but those before should have been also. The Houghton knock on when he gave our knock on. Little things but build up in a close game.

For me, Bentham has been pretty consistent for a number of years with regards to Wigan. Consistently bad.

They changed that rule this year, it's now a drop out, got to let the ball bounce out

seen it done this year though

Grimmy's right, the rule changed and for the better in my view.

In relation to the opening post, I don't think playing within the rules is being too nice. There would be uproar on here had someone taken Sneyd out late and got sent off. Truth is, he sat deep enough to give himself time to kick it well. He hid for most of the game and popped up on the last tackle to kick it. I don't think he took a tackle so we couldn't even rough him up there. Sometimes you just have to tip your hat to a player and I reckon this is one of those times. I just wish Sam had smashed him when he gave Sam a sly, cowardly dig after Sam lost the ball trying to score. That was the perfect opportunity but we missed it.

You may be thinking of kick offs, which are still a penalty if caught on the full with one foot out. Straddling the touchline also still works in the favour of the 'straddler'

Well, I have been thinking about this since Saturday and was about to post my thoughts which are remarkably similar to the supporters who began this post. Shaun Wane said Hull were the 'best' (I wish he would say better)team. I don't think they were. We out scored them by 4 tries to 3, two of our tries, by Gildart and Burgess were results of some brilliant passing while Hull tries were ordinary. I think the one in the right hand corner was a result of a forward pass.
Of course Wigan could have played better but so could Hull. Just because our kicking game wasn't good doesn't mean we deserved to lose!
It's the Maguire knock on all over again. We were cheated out of the challenge cup. Plain and simple.
Okay, one decision went against Hull IF our winger's foot was on the dead ball line, but a number of decisions went against Wigan. I'm not surprised when the ref is from Leigh.
IL should complain vehemently, not echo Wane's sentiments.

It was 3 trys each.

maybe pal