It might be me but they are a level or 2 below what they they where last season e.g. they have shown a few moments of brilliance but nothing special. And Leigh could have beaten them last night! I think the loss of 2 of there best Props for the season have blown there chance of regaining the GF again. They have gone the season only just beating teams where in the past they would have put 50 or 60 past them!

Absolutely nothing to fear. They look bang average without Walmsley ans Paasi. Two man team. The 'world class' Welsby who really isn't that good (What exactly is it that he does that a regular full back can't? He certainly hasn't got the ability of a Field or French, just an annoying little runt) and the rest of the side is coming up to collecting their bus passes. This season is their last chance of silverware. They have left it far too late for a re-build.

Agree,dont forget Knowles who in some opinion is so much better than our Morgan.
They are like a old fighter on the way down ,fighting dirty to stay where they are but aging and getting more cantankerous as they dont get their own way anymore.

Leigh deserved to win and were unlucky not to get that try in the last few mins as that would have brought them right back.
Wigan have nothing to fear from stains and our forwards will absolutely muller theirs,and our backs will out think and out pace theirs. (I fear Leeds more).

You have to admire their line speed and competitive spirit. I don’t think they are as good as previous seasons and agree they are not to be feared.

They should be respected and are more than callable of winning the comp.

Got a bit lucky last night though. Hopefully they’ll use all that luck up before the playoffs

Never write off the saints

I loved that line speed of Percy,they are offside so many times a game they might aswell be in the defensive line of the opposition.

I remember you making similar comments last year Jason after the CC semi final. They aged well didn’t they.

Still favourites IMO, especially when Sironen and Hurrell come back in.

Stu, I always rate your opinion; you're always honest and balanced. Do you think this may be Saints' last chance for a while to win it?

I agree to an extent with Jason, they look an ageing team, and Leigh last night (even without their main cog, Asiata) opened them up numerous times and should have won, even with the lack of ball/territory.

One thing I will say though is, Saints' defence when they are in that mood is fearsome, particularly when sides are coming out of their own half. You can't go one out against them that's for sure!

No doubt this is the final year of this side. We are ageing and busted and there’s a big rebuild ahead. We’ve got some outstanding youngsters coming through but they won’t be ready in the next 1-2 years.

Last night was played at a high intensity in very muggy conditions. We were clunky in attack and Welsby was very quiet. To see him described as average on here is laughable though based on last night. Our defence was outstanding in the main and Leigh threw a lot at us. We lost Delaney to a HIA early 2nd half and didn’t give Royle a minute (not sure why) so the forwards did it tough 2nd half.

If Sironen, Hopoate and Hurrell can come back and stay fit we may just have 2-3 big games left in us.

As good as Wigan have looked recently they were poor against Hull in the rain. Grand Finals normally are played in the wet and we have the game plan to play in a big tight game when the ball isn’t thrown around.

Wigan are the form team at the moment no question and would probably start favourites against us but we have a lot of big game players. It’s just if we can squeeze some final energy out of them.

Fair enough,but my comment about your team aging and not as good as they were still stands.
And by the way Wigan won that CC and St Helens got knocked out by Leigh this year so part of my comment is true.
This is prob your last chance with this particular side to win silverware as you did seem to agree on that point.
Also seeing you putting down players missing and when they come back would make a difference we have had players missing aswell you know.

Yes you do have players missing but we aren’t talking about Wigan. You are mentioning Saints. I’m just pointing out some facts.

I wasn't basing Welsby being average based on last night. I've been banging that drum ever since the sky commentators decided he was the new Jake Trueman (overhyped) I think it equally as laughable that he is lauded as some kind of Billy Slater. I ask again, what exactly is it that makes him some kind of superstar? What does he do that a regular, run of the mill full back doesn't? Does he make breaks and score spectacular try's like Field and French can? Does he has the skill of a Tomkins when he was that age? Or does he just catch the ball and tackle a lot like pretty much every other full back does? Why did he go missing in the world cup? An x-factor player rises to the challenge like Radley did not go hiding.

Have a look at his tries and assists. As good as Field and French are the acid test is the NRL is it not?

I’ll wager a charity bet that Welsby will be playing in the NRL before either of them do again. There’s a reason why they are here and not in the NRL.

Welsby is the best player in SL whether you like it or not.

He is the best player in Super League.........

Aaaaand that is the end of the conversation for me. Hilarious