Amazing how small our team still is. We've all been worried about our lack of size for years so its amazing Radlinski has repeatedly failed to address this with recruitment. Looks like men against boys.

I said exactly the same men against boys our team looked very young and small tonight

An issue that should have been addressed long ago. An issue that was identified as our weakness 3 years ago by our "coach".

Nothing has been done to resolve it.

Size isn't everything, or so my Mrs keeps reminding me, but it helps and when you have a small team you need to compensate that with skill.

We however play like a big team, trying to bully and get over the top of teams without having the size to do it. Made my thoughts clear on our coaching ideology on another thread so not going to bore you all on here again.

IN fairness you have sum big lumps, clubb loughlin,sutton,tompkins arnt little,

Sorry if it upsets some but Tomkins and Clubb both went into their shells when Gaz Ellis decided to impose himself.

Disagree about Clubb. Tomkins however is simply a liability who offers very little. Another player seemingly who will never recover from his code switch. Isa and Tomkins are poor. Isa Tomkins and Faz all have a daft penalty in them. Take Bateman out, like Wane did tonight and I would say our backrow is a real weakness.

Don't want to troll, but I thought Bateman was exceptional again, I was surprised about Joel Tompkins's non existent performance as he destroyed us last time. I also thought Clubb had a decent game.
I did notice SOL giving away a few stupid pens; perhaps he is rusty in his first game back?

Agree with Saint at Wire- Bateman outstanding and Clubb outstanding for me. Both would get in any side.
I think you miss Mcclorum to get the best out of the rest of the forwards.
Hull were good as well.

Hull was just more aggressive than us...Our pack was embarrassing!!!

The starting front row were really poor. If Mossop, Powell and Crosby were playing like this for Widnes etc there's no way Wigan would want to sign them. I don't understand why the club have not brought in a hooker on loan unless they expect Mickey Mc back earlier than expected.

Didn't KR highlight this as a major issue last season? Nothing has changed.

Our recruitment is poor, the club seem intent of bringing youth through above all else.
Our attacking moves have remained the same for the last five years, but the quality has gotten worse....we have been found out!

We miss Micky Mac terribly, he makes our pack tick. We're nothing without him.

Bateman is incredibly strong for his size. He's got the potential to be one of the best players in the world as long as he's played back row. Love watching him play.

It was only when Clubb and Sutton came on we got some go forward, Crosby and Mossop were awful - and we lost the game when they came back on 2nd half - both are way too slow in defence.

Isa actually had a better game at least he tried - Tomkins J was totally non-existant all game. TT added a bit when he came on - not just size but enthusiasm which was sadly lacking from some.

It is not pure size at fault - our forwards just did not perform well enough.

Maybe someone can tell me, because this size thing comes up a lot, but whenever I see us play, the player who always happens to give us the most go forward is John Bateman, who just so happens to be our smallest forward. As it is, we've got Crosby (110kg), Ben Flower (109kg), Clubb (105kg), Mossop (114kg) and Tautai (114kg) in our front row. It's not exactly tiny. I can't help but think it's just that we play a different game that requires different things from our props.