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| Plenty didnt want him near the match after the 19 was announced.
I was in a massive minority for saying he needed to be on the bench.
Wane seemed to share my views and gave him a bench spot, which allowed MM to have a rest then come back and help settle the game.
Logan did nothing wrong , except 1 knock-on, (and who didnt knock on?) and was solid.
This thread allows the doubters to come on here and say.."we were wrong, Sean Wane and WPM got it right"
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| He didn't do anything right either he is nothing but a passenger in this team because of the name on his back, sorry
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| Quote: wigan pie man "Plenty didnt want him near the match after the 19 was announced.
I was in a massive minority for saying he needed to be on the bench.
Wane seemed to share my views and gave him a bench spot, which allowed MM to have a rest then come back and help settle the game.
Logan did nothing wrong , except 1 knock-on, (and who didnt knock on?) and was solid.
This thread allows the doubters to come on here and say.."we were wrong, Sean Wane and WPM got it right"
I don't think either of you did. We are a better team with MM on the pitch. That may be a bit unfair on Logan given his experience because why would he be up to MM's standard but the fact he isn't just means when he comes on usually about 10 mins before halftime and then plays after halftime for however long we are a worse team. It's also a bit predictable!
In previous seasons when MM has played the full 80 he's looked knackered by this time of year. He's not done that this year since Wane has used Logan as described. So today given MM is not knackered I'd have been tempted to play MM the full 80. I said this over on Mike's message board before the final. I reckon he'd have easily been up to it and Logan's use to the side would be to give MM a rest against the poorer teams so he could do the full 80 in big games. Sounds harsh I suppose but MM is streets ahead.
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| Luke Campbell would have put a better performance in
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| I well remember the stick MM got when he first got the gig....
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| Quote: Wigan Peer "I well remember the stick MM got when he first got the gig....'"
Its not just that, I do see signs of an average player in there, but he's a Tomkins and don't you think thats got him in the team ahead of other players?
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| Powell would have done the same sort of job. We just needed anyone there who could at least do the basics right to allow McIlorum to have a rest.
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| Quote: FIOS "He didn't do anything right either he is nothing but a passenger in this team because of the name on his back, sorry'"
You have hit the nail on the head IMO he offers very little to the team
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| listen im typing as a neutral... logan Tomkins doesn't offer much go forward ..he very rarely scoots think he defence is poor I wouldn't say hes in the 10 ten hookers in superleague .... on the plus side hes still young .... good win yesterday solid team performance ... it wouldn't have matter wet or dry conditions ... you would have still won that game ever it was played on mars........
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| It seems that I too am in the minority again.
Logan tackles more and tackle harder the sam Powell, who in my opinion may make a mid table half back but would need to learn to take on a defence to make a proper impact. Logan does not run often enough from dummy half granted, but I would ave him on the bench for MM any day and expect him to come on each year to be indispensable.
Defence wins games and logan is bloody good in defence, earns his spot for me every week.
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| Everyone needs a back up hooker so this argument about him not being as good as MM seems to be pointless. I don't think anyone would argue that he is. What he does offer is decent cover when MM is tired. I also think the comments re just because his name is tomkins he gets a gig. If that were true play his dad!
I think he has really come on this year, still quite a bit of improvement to be made but if there's a cheaper backup hooker out there I've yet to see him.
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| One swallow doesn't make a summer.
If he can play well, consistently, for the rest of the year then people may change their opinion of him.
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| Logan only gets so much negativity because he's a tomkins. People seem to think its how he's getting a game, but for the most part people wouldn't be so negative if he wasn't a tomkins. Powell has shown no more than him, but he doesn't get as much stick.
He's only 21 and no worse than mcilorum was when he was 21. Intact mcilorum was getting stick still in 2011 around the time of our last challenge cup victory.
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| I disagree I think Powell has shown much more in attack than Logan has, defensively they both need work.
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| He did ok and he's that type of player. He's no stand out, he doesn't particularly do anything wrong but his physical attributes mean he's limited.
I think we need more from the bench but that's for another day.
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